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From: "Smith, Ned" <ned.smith@intel.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "rats@ietf.org" <rats@ietf.org>, "suit@ietf.org" <suit@ietf.org>
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I hadn't heard anyone suggesting that it would make sense to consider doing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birkholz-rats-suit-claims work in TEEP. Can the authors comment as to why/why not this should be considered as a third option?

Thx,
Ned

On 12/23/21, 9:41 AM, "Michael Richardson" <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:


    Smith, Ned <ned.smith@intel.com> wrote:
        > I don't think I had anything close to quorum when I sent out the
        > reminder. Since then a half dozen others contributed. Still only one
        > chair from RATS WG side. I don't know if a joint meeting requires two
        > chairs, or if they have to be from the same WG. I expect draft authors
        > should be present, but maybe not all?

    I had assumed that you had unicast coordination with SUIT WG chairs about
    this.  As Dave Thaler is one chair, I figure if you have him you are set.
    It seems that we really need TEEP there as well.  I think that purpose is to
    decide in which WG https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-birkholz-rats-suit-claims
    should be progressed.

    Wrapped in here (for me) is the extent to which the EAT document is trying to
    describe the protocol only (with really well worded IANA considerations), or
    whether it is trying to proscribe a useful common subset of claims.

    -- 
    Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
     -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-

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