Re: [tap] RFC Status?

Leon Timmermans <fawaka@gmail.com> Tue, 23 September 2014 21:52 UTC

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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Steffen Schwigon <ss5@renormalist.net>
wrote:

> Leon Timmermans <fawaka@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Steffen Schwigon <ss5@renormalist.net>
> wrote:
> >     And here I seriously start to panic if that opinion should ever lead
> to
> >     deprecating YAMLish, as 1) it much better fits the philosophy of
> TAP's
> >     line-based'ness, 2) is easier to generate with line based tools,
> like in
> >     a shell-only world, and 3) zillions of test results are already
> based on
> >     it for the last 6 years. I'm not exaggerating here.
> >
> > I wasn't aware of anyone actually outputting YAML. Can you tell us more
> about this?
>
> With great pleasure. :-) Here we go:
>
> The Tapper test infrastructure (http://tapper-testing.org/) consumes it
> with the help of TAP::DOM, Data::DPath (and a handful marines), and it's
> generated for embedded benchmark data in projects like Perl::Formance
> (http://perlformance.net/), general supporting data in libs like
> "bash-test-utils"
> (
> https://github.com/tapper/Tapper-autoreport/blob/master/bash-test-utils.md
> )
> and similar, but less public projects. In general we use it in a
> restricted world like OS testing with only shell/printf/printk
> available.
>
> These projects might not look very active but that's only lack of github
> pushes due to lack of tuits (usually just once a year during the Perl QA
> hackathons). They are in very heavy use.
>
> Slide decks (bit old but still valid):
>  - http://tapper-testing.org/docs/yapc_eu_2011_tapjuggling.pdf - pg. 23,
> 37, 41
>  -
> http://tapper-testing.org/docs/linuxcon_eu_2011_linux_and_virtualization_testing_with_tapper.pdf
> pg. 35, 43
>

Right. I see in your docs you're using two spaces (like the website
suggests). I'd really like to pin that down, unlike the \s+ on the website;
that's fuzzier than I like.

How do you visualize the data?


> Two details make it harder to generate JSON than YAMLish:
>  - on generating: JSON is oversensitive to trailing comma before closing
> brackets/braces.
>    If you generate it from templates, like Template-Toolkit, you go mental.
>

Interesting. Never thought about it like that.

Leon