Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL)
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From: "Bruno P. Kinoshita" <brunodepaulak@yahoo.com.br>
To: Steffen Schwigon <ss5@renormalist.net>, Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
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Subject: Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL)
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Hi all, For the last three weeks or so, testanything.org has been down. I tried pinging the tap mailing list, but got no response. Tried to contact Test::More maintainer to see if he knew someone with karma to update the web site but got no response so far. This is the last message I found in my inbox regarding TAP, so I apologize beforehand for bothering you all :-) Does anybody know where I can find one of the testanything.org administrators, please? Thank you in advance, and sorry for the trouble. All the best, Bruno P. Kinoshita http://kinoshita.eti.br http://tupilabs.com >________________________________ > From: Steffen Schwigon <ss5@renormalist.net> >To: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> >Cc: tap@ietf.org; Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> >Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:25 PM >Subject: Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) > >Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> writes: >> Report Language (EARL) and a few related specifications. EARL's core >> use case is reporting the results of accessibility evaluations of >> websites (i.e. accessibility for persons with disabilities), but the >> language itself is generic, so it can also be used in other >> contexts. The language is based on RDF; >> […] >> During our last call for comments, one of the reviewers asked the >> working group if EARL duplicates TAP's efforts, or vice versa. The >> working group thinks that this is not the case; we think that EARL >> could be an alternative report format for TAP if a TAP consumer could >> be written that produces EARL. For this reason, we thought it would be >> interesting to contact you and to make sure we are aware of each >> other's work. > >Thanks for sync'ing this back to us. I just skimmed through the specs >and it was indeed interesting. As far as I understand from my (very >short) skimming I think it's not that many duplication of effort as the >main difference is a philosophical one. > >- EARL is similar to other W3C specs in respect to specifying a > comprehensive snapshot of known existing topics. For example, it > particularly covers all known HTTP methods (POST, GET, PUT, …). That > enables it to build tools on top of it that sematically “know” what > the document is about. > >- TAP in contrast is about specifying test results, really just the > *result* focus without hard specification of the tested topic, i.e., a > single test has a “description”, so someone reading it knows what it > is about but that part does not have a specification. > > For instance, a test about a HTTP method could have any description > from “POST” to “that strange other method that I never remember but > always use when GET is not sufficient”. > > >See [1] for some related discussion of this aspect. > >In this respect I think TAP is more like your RDF with some extensions >from EARL to describe test success. > >That makes the use-cases of TAP and EARL a bit different: > >- TAP allows to be produced by anything simple without toolchain > support, like embedded devices with nothing but a “print” function, > but you can not *sematically* evaluate results. > >- EARL seems to require more heavy toolchain support to produce but > allows more semantic result evaluation. > >Converting TAP to EARL is difficult. >Converting EARL to TAP is easy. > >On the evaluation of TAP I can point to TAP::DOM and Data::DPath, which >provide a more structured approach to evaluate test results, see my “TAP >Juggling” slides[2], page 30ff. > >Kind regards, >Steffen > > >Footnotes: >[1] http://grokbase.com/p/perl.org/qa/2008/04/re-tap-l-user-supplied-yaml-diagnostic-keys-descriptive-version/11ymnpm2765ztojoinznq2lz5674 > >[2] http://www.amd64.org/fileadmin/user_upload/pub/yapc_eu_2011_tapjuggling.pdf > >-- >Steffen Schwigon <ss5@renormalist.net> >Dresden Perl Mongers <http://dresden-pm.org/> >_______________________________________________ >tap mailing list >tap@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tap > > >
- [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) Christophe Strobbe
- Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EAR… Ovid
- Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EAR… Steffen Schwigon
- Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EAR… Leon Timmermans
- Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EAR… Bruno P. Kinoshita
- [tap] testanything.org is down Salve J Nilsen
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- Re: [tap] testanything.org is up! (Was: Re: testa… Bruno P. Kinoshita
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