Re: [tcpm] Draft agenda for London

Hi Joe,

Point taken.

Regarding your concern on waste of time: I explicitly scheduled this presentation at the end of one of the TCPM slots - and before lunch. For instance, TCPM contributors can leave the room and attend other sessions after the first talks, if they prefer to do so (not that I want to recommend this). And, on purpose, we do not discuss any WG items in this slot; as a side note, the other slot is more friendly to remote participants in North America, since we typically have some participants there. In addition, please note that we have not reduced any other time slot request.

I really tried to come up with a scheduling that is reasonable and fulfills all external constraints I had to deal with. In some sense, the only persons who *have* to attend this session the TCPM chairs ;)

But, again, point taken, it is a draft agenda, and I share it as early as possible to enable agenda bashing.

Michael

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Von: Joe Touch [touch@isi.edu]
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2014 12:41
An: Scharf, Michael (Michael); gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk; Yuchung Cheng
Cc: tcpm-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tcpm@ietf.org Extensions
Betreff: Re: [tcpm] Draft agenda for London

FWIW, given this has already been presented *twice* before, and there is
no current indication of a significant change in the approach, there is
absolutely no justification for a full hour's time - regardless of how
much has been given to TCPM.

Time slots not only consume a WG's meeting time, but they prevent
attendees from participating in other WGs (even if not 'conflicting' as
far as the authors or WG chairs are concerned), or using valuable
face-to-face time in other ways.

Joe

On 2/14/2014 12:27 AM, Scharf, Michael (Michael) wrote:
> Very valid question. I was told that the draft will be updated.
>
> Some background: Given some interest in MPTCP, we thought that a technical discussion on tcpcrypt could make sense. However, due to additional WG conflicts, we realized that for this we actually need a second (very short) TCPM slot. Surprisingly, we then ended up with a much longer slot than what we asked for. As a result, and as noted earlier on this list, we actually have plenty of meeting time in London - more than we asked for. Now, since there was no shortage of time, we finally decided to approve the author's request of 60 min even if it significantly exceeds what TCPM is used to grant. So far, we also approved all other presentation requests with at least the requested time. Within the usual single TCPM slot, a 60 min request would not have been approved.
>
> Having said this, the agenda is tentative, and feedback is welcome.
>
> Michael
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk [gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2014 08:38
> Bis: Yuchung Cheng
> Cc: Scharf, Michael (Michael); tcpm-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tcpm@ietf.org Extensions
> Betreff: Re: [tcpm] Draft agenda for London
>
> I think it would be good to understand why there is a 60 minute talk on
> something where the text has not changed at all since the last meeting.
>
> Gorry
>
>> On Feb 13, 2014 1:24 AM, "Scharf, Michael (Michael)" <
>> michael.scharf@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Please find below the first draft for the TCPM agenda in London. Since
>>> we
>> received a request for an exceptionally long presentation, we decided to
>> ask for a second TCPM time slot. We plan to discuss the WG drafts in the
>> Thursday slot, while spending the Monday slot on individual submissions.
>> Note that this is a tentative agenda and changes are still possible.
>>>
>>> Please let the chairs know if you have any suggestions or if we missed
>> something.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Michael, Pasi, Yoshifumi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ****** Draft Agenda ******
>>>
>>> TCPM meeting, IETF-89, London, UK
>>>
>>> Session 1: Monday, 0900-1130
>>> ============================
>>>
>>> Individual Drafts
>>> -----------------
>>>
>>> * Making TCP more Robust to Packet Reordering
>>>    draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-detection
>>>    draft-zimmermann-tcpm-reordering-reaction
>>>    Alexander Zimmermann
>>>    30 min
>>>
>>> * Simpler and reordering resilient loss recovery
>>>    (no draft)
>>>    Yuchung Cheng
>>>    20 min
>>>
>>> * tcpcrypt: the case for ubiquitous transport-level encryption
>>>    draft-bittau-tcp-crypt
>>>    Andrea Bittau
>>>    60 min
>> This draft was presented in Prague and Vancouver. Is this an update based
>> on the feedbacks from prior meetings?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Session 2: Thursday, 1300-1500
>>> ==============================
>>>
>>> WG Status
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> * TCPM status
>>>    Chairs
>>>    10 min
>>>
>>> Working Group Items
>>> -------------------
>>>
>>> * TCP Roadmap
>>>    draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-rfc4614bis
>>>    Alexander Zimmermann
>>>    10 min
>>>
>>> * Updating TCP to support Rate-Limited Traffic
>>>    draft-ietf-tcpm-newcwv-05
>>>    Gorry Fairhurst
>>>    20 min
>>>
>>> * TCP and SCTP RTO Restart
>>>    draft-ietf-tcpm-rtorestart-01
>>>    Per Hurtig
>>>    15 min
>>>
>>> * Problem Statement and Requirements for a More Accurate ECN Feedback
>>>    draft-ietf-tcpm-accecn-reqs-05
>>>    Mirja Kuehlewind
>>>    5 min
>>>
>>>
>>> Individual Drafts
>>> -----------------
>>>
>>> * More Accurate ECN Feedback Solutions
>>>    draft-kuehlewind-tcpm-accurate-ecn
>>>    draft-kuehlewind-tcpm-accurate-ecn-option
>>>    Richard Scheffenegger
>>>    10 min
>>>
>>> * Timestamp negotiation and Clock exposure
>>>    draft-trammell-tcpm-timestamp-interval
>>>    draft-scheffenegger-tcpm-timestamp-negotiation
>>>    Richard Scheffenegger
>>>    15 min
>>>
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