Re: [tcpm] 793bis ready to go?
Markku Kojo <kojo@cs.helsinki.fi> Tue, 16 February 2021 14:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] 793bis ready to go?
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The CC test looks good. Just two minor things: one editorial and another small addition to address exponential backoff more accurately and correctly. See inline. On Mon, 8 Feb 2021, Michael Scharf wrote: > Dear all, > > draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20 has been submitted recently. According to Wes, all WGLC feedback should be reflected in this version. A link to a complete diff can be found below. > > During WGLC, there has been quite some discussion on the exact wording on congestion control. The suggested text in version -20 is copied below: > > 3.7.2. TCP Congestion Control > > RFC 2914 [7] explains the importance of congestion control for the > Internet. > > RFC 1122 required implementation of Van Jacobson's congestion control > algorithms slow start with congestion avoidance together with Here "SS with CA together with ..." reads a bit odd to me. But not sure as a non-native speaker. Would it possibly read better if changed to(?): "algorithms slow start and congestion avoidance together with exponential back-off ..." OR: "algorithms slow start, congestion avoidance, and exponential back-off ..." > exponential back-off for successive RTO values for the same segment. > RFC 2581 provided IETF Standards Track description of slow start and > congestion avoidance, along with fast retransmit and fast recovery. > RFC 5681 is the current description of these algorithms and is the > current Standards Track specification providing guidelines for TCP > congestion control. RFC 6298 describes exponential back-off of RTO > values, including keeping the backed-off value until a subsequent > segment with new data has been sent and acknowledged. It would be useful to make the last sentence unambiguous as per Karn's original specification: "segment with new data has been sent and acknowledged without retransmission." Thanks, /Markku > A TCP endpoint MUST implement the basic congestion control algorithms > slow start, congestion avoidance, and exponential back-off of RTO to > avoid creating congestion collapse conditions (MUST-19). RFC 5681 > and RFC 6298 describe the basic algorithms on the IETF Standards > Track that are broadly applicable. Multiple other suitable > algorithms exist and have been widely used. Many TCP implementations > support a set of alternative algorithms that can be configured for > use on the endpoint. An endpoint may implement such alternative > algorithms provided that the algorithms are conformant with the TCP > specifications from the IETF Standards Track as described in RFC > 2914, RFC 5033 [10], and RFC 8961 [15]. > > Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) was defined in RFC 3168 and is > an IETF Standards Track enhancement that has many benefits [50]. > > A TCP endpoint SHOULD implement ECN as described in RFC 3168 (SHLD- > 8). > > As document shepherd I ask everybody - specifically all TCPM contributors who have commented on congestion control - to carefully review this proposed wording within the next few days. If there are any issues with this suggested resolution of the WGLC, please speak up! > > If the TCPM working group is fine with version -20, 793bis would be ready to go. > > Thanks > > Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 7:02 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: tcpm@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions WG of the IETF. > > Title : Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) Specification > Author : Wesley M. Eddy > Filename : draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20.txt > Pages : 110 > Date : 2021-01-21 > > Abstract: > This document specifies the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). TCP > is an important transport layer protocol in the Internet protocol > stack, and has continuously evolved over decades of use and growth of > the Internet. Over this time, a number of changes have been made to > TCP as it was specified in RFC 793, though these have only been > documented in a piecemeal fashion. This document collects and brings > those changes together with the protocol specification from RFC 793. > This document obsoletes RFC 793, as well as RFCs 879, 2873, 6093, > 6429, 6528, and 6691 that updated parts of RFC 793. It updates RFC > 1122, and should be considered as a replacement for the portions of > that document dealing with TCP requirements. It also updates RFC > 5961 by adding a small clarification in reset handling while in the > SYN-RECEIVED state. The TCP header control bits from RFC 793 have > also been updated based on RFC 3168. > > RFC EDITOR NOTE: If approved for publication as an RFC, this should > be marked additionally as "STD: 7" and replace RFC 793 in that role. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-20 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > tcpm mailing list > tcpm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm >
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- Re: [tcpm] 793bis ready to go? Markku Kojo
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