Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you-tcpm-configuring-tcp-initial-window-00.txt
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Wed, 22 October 2014 00:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you-tcpm-configuring-tcp-initial-window-00.txt
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A few points on this thread: - 2140 includes both ensemble and temporal sharing ensemble happens only when you have a concurrent set of connections, at which point you subtract from the window of the current ones to give to the new one temporal includes going back to the same place - subnet or specific IP - and can involve aging the window - we had a project here to look at whether the window could be predicted based on past behavior (e.g., time-based patterns, either time-of-day, day-of-week, etc.): http://www.isi.edu/aln/ The conclusion was that such patterns were not evident (at least when we did the experiment). - IW cannot be determined at the time of the connection per se The only way to do so would be to send IW segments into the net and see if they get there, which isn't so much a probe as just using that value as the initial window anyway. I continue to believe that IW can be adapted over loooong periods of time using information on past connections as network behavior evolves as per draft-touch-tcpm-automatic-iw-03.txt, but more experience is definitely needed. Joe
- [tcpm] 转发: New Version Notification for draft-you… Youjianjie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] 转发: New Version Notification for draft… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] 转发: New Version Notification for draft… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- Re: [tcpm] 转发: New Version Notification for draft… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Daniel Borkmann
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Huangyihong (Rachel)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Huangyihong (Rachel)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Huangyihong (Rachel)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… gorry
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- [tcpm] 答复: New Version Notification for draft-you… Youjianjie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Runa Barik
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Michael Welzl
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-you… Joe Touch