Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 : How many connectivity matrices in a slice?
John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Thu, 07 October 2021 20:02 UTC
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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 : How many connectivity matrices in a slice?
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Hi, Massively snipped, comments inline. Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Xufeng Liu Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:20 PM To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Cc: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 : How many connectivity matrices in a slice? [External Email. Be cautious of content] I would like to have: - Support of one connectivity matrix per slice is mandatory But not have: - Support of more than one connectivity matrix per slice is in the architecture but is optional to implement Allowing the second option would unnecessarily complicate the user experience, without providing any additional capabilities, as commented below in-line. [JD] If an operator decides to support *only* a single connectivity matrix per IETF network slice while the architecture allows more than one, how exactly is the customer experience unnecessarily complicated? Or to put it another way, if the customer requires N connectivity matrices, then they will need either N IETF network slices each with one connectivity matrix or 1 IETF network slice with N connectivity matrices. The architecture supports both options and I don't see how the latter option unnecessarily complicates the customer experience. I would assert that some customers would prefer the latter, I know I would. Thanks, - Xufeng Of course, in this case, the SLOs might only be identical today. They might be available to change tomorrow, and in that case it is a lot easier to have two separate ("parallel") matrices. * If the two parallel connections (between A and B) have different SLOs, then are they still same slice? wouldn't it be better to just have them in two different slices? [AF] This is the nub of the question. It is a multi-dimensional problem (because of the many SLOs) with a hierarchy of ownership. Customer --> slice --> matrix. You end up with the same number of leaves in the tree, but the branches are at different places. And, further, you could hang the SLOs at any point in the tree (for example at the matrix as currently proposed, or at the slice). [Xufeng]: If the slices can be organized hierarchically, the original desired behavior can be achieved: in addition to the three separate slices described earlier, we can have a base (underlay) slice that supports all these three slices. The base slice can serve as a construct containing all three connectivity matrices, without introducing additional connectivity-matrix-id. [JD] The requirement is to have various types of connectivity between various subsets of the customer's CEs. Given that the membership of every one of these subsets can change, it is necessary to identify each of these subsets in the definition of the IETF network slice service. Your proposal, above, would still need to individually identify each of the three connectivity matrices that you mention, so your proposal doesn't simplify anything.
- [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 : How… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Tarek Saad
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Tarek Saad
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] ***フリーメール*** Re: Network slicing frame… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Igor Bryskin
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Jeff Tantsura
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- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… jmh.direct
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Network slicing framework : Issue #2 :… t petch