Re: [Teas] [mpls] New Version Notification for draft-busizheng-teas-yang-te-mpls-topology-05.txt
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From: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>
To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] [mpls] New Version Notification for draft-busizheng-teas-yang-te-mpls-topology-05.txt
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Apologies for the noise; Microsoft keeps telling me that I am not a valid recipient of this message so I repeated the 'send' which actually worked first time despite the error message. The website keeps being up(down!-)graded so each day is a voyage of discovery. Tom Petch ________________________________________ From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> Sent: 13 October 2023 09:31 To: Italo Busi; tom petch; teas@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] [mpls] New Version Notification for draft-busizheng-teas-yang-te-mpls-topology-05.txt From: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com> Sent: 12 October 2023 17:30 Hi Tom, What about the following abstract? "This document describes a YANG data model for MPLS-TE network topologies." With the required acronyms' expansion it should become: " This document describes a YANG data model for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) network topologies." Italo <tp> I still prefer a more expansive approach e.g. " This document describes a YANG data model for the <management¦monitoring¦construction¦...> of the topology of Traffic Engineered Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks." Those stacked nouns I find hard to interpret although I recognise that it is the norm in some languages. Also I like verbs - manage, operate, configure and so on. Tom Petch > -----Original Message----- > From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> > Sent: martedì 10 ottobre 2023 13:53 > To: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; > teas@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] [Teas] New Version Notification for draft-busizheng-teas- > yang-te-mpls-topology-05.txt > > > From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Adrian Farrel > <adrian@olddog.co.uk> > Sent: 10 October 2023 11:47 > Thanks Tom. > > > Adrian may be happy but that mightn be a reflection on the vast range > > of knowledge that Adrian has but which not all readers may possess - > > this one doesn't. > > Vast, maybe. Relevant, not so much. > > I think I am more relaxed on what becomes a WG I-D. That is: > - is it a topic the WG wants to work on > - is this a reasonable starting point > > Obviously (?) if a fairly active WG participant (you) cannot easily discern the > point of the work, then answering the first question is hard. > > It is not an uncommon problem that authors find themselves too close to the > problem to (feel the need to) explain it. It is also the case that "we" are pretty > poor at writing Abstracts, often scribbling them at day 1 and then never > updating them. It is good to call the authors out on that, especially (as you did) > with specific questions that need to be addressed. I'm sure the authors will > want to clarify the purpose of the document by adding text to the Abstract > and Introduction. > > <tp> > Some decades ago, I adopted a top-down approach, not just when creating > software but in anything of an engineering nature. With I-Ds that means I > start with the Abstract and work down to Introduction and so on. I find that > makes my output more coherent. > > It seems to me that the IETF is more bottom-up and while that works as a > management style I find it less useful when it comes to documents. > > Thus for me this I-D is - I think - > Transport Network > Traffic Engineering > MPLS data plane > Topology > YANG model > and while I might move YANG model up or down I would not change the rest. > This structure for me is what the Abstract lacks. In German it might be one > portmanteau word of 42 letters but not in english (or American). > > I had just been looking at > draft-ietf-ccamp-eth-client-te-topo-yang > and while I am not a fan of the draft name and strongly averse to the change > thereof, yet the Introduction is just what I want to see. And I think that that > may be a more general truth when setting CCAMP against MPLS. > > Tom Petch > > Ciao, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
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- Re: [Teas] [mpls] New Version Notification for dr… tom petch
- Re: [Teas] [mpls] New Version Notification for dr… Italo Busi
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