Re: [Terminology] WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Mon, 05 April 2021 14:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Terminology] WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)
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On 2021-04-05, at 16:44, Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> wrote:
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> It's just not necessary to create this hurdle. Leave out the word "external" and it's simpler for the people doing the work.

I think we can agree to disagree here.
As I have said in other venues before, I positively, strongly don’t want the WG to do *that* work, so making that clear in the charter tremendously will simplify doing its actual work.

Grüße, Carsten