Re: [tlp-interest] Notice of Proposed Amendment to IETF Trust Bylaws

Brian:

I did not make this change, I am just concerned that this definition will lead to a bunch of by-law adjustments over the years.  Like you, I think the original definition was better.

Russ

> On Nov 20, 2023, at 2:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 21-Nov-23 08:07, Russ Housley wrote:
>> I have a minor concern with this definition:
>> “IETF” means the Internet Engineering Task Force as constituted in accordance with
>> their Best Current Practice (BCP) documents 9, 10, and 101 (BCP 9, BCP 10, BCP 101) and any
>> duly approved successor documents thereto.
> 
> That seems like unneccesary verbiage to me. The original Trust agreement simply said:
> 
> “IETF” means the Internet Engineering Task Force, which is dedicated to the development and publication of Internet standards, specifications and related documents on a charitable, non-profit basis.
> 
> Why isn't that enough?
> 
>     Brian
> 
>> If an additional BCP is written and approve that is not a successor to one of these BCPs, will the by-laws need to be amended to add it to this list?  Is there wording that would avoid that step?
>> Russ
>>> On Nov 9, 2023, at 4:45 AM, The IETF Trust <ietf-trust@ietf.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As presented at the IETF 118 Plenary by the IETF Trust,  the Trustees intend to add a 60-day notice before adoption restriction to amendments to the Trust's bylaws.
>>> 
>>> This 60-day notice is a new restriction not included in the original IETF Trust Agreement and is intended as a safeguard against bylaw amendments being made without awareness by the bodies that appoint the 5 IETF Trustee -  the IESG, IETF NOMCOM, ISOC Board of Trustees, and announced more broadly through the IETF Announcements list.
>>> 
>>> This is also being announced on the IETF Trust's web site.
>>>    https://trustee.ietf.org/about/announcements/
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Notice of proposed Bylaw amendments on behalf of the IETF Trustees and the IETF Intellectual Property Management Corporation (IPMC).
>>> 
>>> A proposed amended IPMC Bylaws have been published by the IETF Trustees that would make the following changes:
>>> 
>>>   1. Introduce a 60-day notice of proposed amended IPMC Corporate Bylaws before a vote to adopt
>>> 
>>>    2. Addition of definitions of the IETF and IETF LLC to the Front Matter
>>> 
>>> There are no organizational or structural changes to the IMPC in the amended bylaws.
>>> 
>>> Details on the proposed amended bylaws including a redlined version are available on the IETF Trust web site at:
>>>  https://trustee.ietf.org/about/announcements/proposed-ipmc-bylaw-amendments/
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Keeping with the spirit of the 60-day notice period before adoption, the IETF Trustees have decided to apply it to this proposal and adoption will not occur before 60 days after November 8, 2023.
>>> 
>>> Given that no structural or organizational changes are being made, this is a notice only and not a broader consultation.
>>>   Comments may be directed to TLP-Interest@ietf.org.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glenn Deen,
>>> IETF Trust Chair, IETF Intellectual Property Management Corporation President
>>> 
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