[tlp-interest] Re: ALAC Position on the Proposed Amendment to IETF IPMC Bylaws

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 12 December 2025 01:32 UTC

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Subject: [tlp-interest] Re: ALAC Position on the Proposed Amendment to IETF IPMC Bylaws
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It appears that Brian E Carpenter  <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> said:
>Russ, thanks for sending the text.
>
>I have a few comments.
>
>I've just refreshed my memory of the IETF Trust Agreement (both the original version that I signed in 2005, and the latest amended version) and confirmed
>what I thought: there is no reference whatever to IANA, ICANN or the IANA IPR. ...

Right. The Trust accepted the IANA stuff as a temporary favor during the ICANN
transition when the RIRs objected to leaving it with ICANN but there wasn't time
to spin up a separate IANA entity. It has been a huge time sink and a
distraction from the Trust's and now the IPMC's actual job. The sooner we hand
it off to someone who actually wants it, the better.

>I understand the ALAC's comment about the "failure to communicate with and get approval from the CCG before the IANA IPR was assigned from the Trust to the
>IPMC" but as far as I can see the CCG's *approval* is not required. Communication would have been good. What *is* required is that the Trust disposes of its
>IPR in a way that preserves the rights of its Beneficiary (the IETF as a whole). Clearly that obligation must be transferred to the Trust's successor,
>namely IETF IPMC.

If it were up to me, my response to all of these complaints would be along the
lines of we're going to do what we're going to do, and if you don't find that
satisfactory we would be delighted to give the IANA IPR to whatever other entity
you prefer.

R's,
John