[TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-mldsa-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Jack Grigg <ietf@jackgrigg.com> Thu, 02 July 2026 15:18 UTC
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2026 16:17:10 +0100
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-mldsa-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 3:54 PM John Mattsson <john.mattsson= 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > People may have different views, but my view is that RECOMMENDED = N does > not require any explanation, whereas RECOMMENDED = Y and RECOMMENDED = D > do. I see RECOMMENDED = N as the new default. > I agree with this reading. It is supported by the text of RFC 9847 Section 3: > - N: Indicates that the item has not been evaluated by the IETF and that the IETF has made no statement about the suitability of the associated mechanism. > > [...] Any item not otherwise specified is set to "N". [...] The RFC is clear that RECOMMENDED = N is now the default, and "making no statement" means that an explanation is not required when using it. Cheers, Jack
- [TLS] Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-ml… Tommy Jensen via Datatracker
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on dra… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Tommy Jensen
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Jack Grigg
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… tojens.ietf
- [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tl… Jack Grigg