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[TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-mldsa-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

"Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu> Thu, 02 July 2026 13:55 UTC

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From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu>
To: Simon Josefsson <simon=40josefsson.org@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [EXT] [TLS] Re: Tommy Jensen's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-mldsa-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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>> There is not WG consensus to recommend pure-PQ algorithms at this
>> time. I doubt further clarification is needed, and adding any words
>> runs the risk of restarting the flame wars that have enveloped the WG
>> on this issue.
>
> I believe to the contrary, that if actual wordings about the risks with
> non-hybrids and lattices was inserted into document, and publishing this
> on the ISE track, the flame wars would stop.

The flame war will not stop with such a concession, because the opponents of the draft took position of “I don’t need it — therefore you must not be able to use it.”

> It seems reasonable that flame wars errupt when there is a push for a
> flawed document in a WG and proponents of the work do not accept
> suggestions how to mitigate even the most significant technical and
> process concerns.

The draft is not flawed. It’s all politics.

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