[TLS] Re: 【Reply to the comments after the presentation in Montreal】RE: Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-wang-tls-service-affinity-00.txt
Wei Wang <weiwang94@foxmail.com> Thu, 09 April 2026 06:10 UTC
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Hi Usama,
Sorry for the late response. We have uploaded the -v01 of draft-wang-tls-service-affinity. In the latest version, the following modifications have been made according to your comments:
The introduction has been re-write, the CATS part has been moved to Use case section.
A new section is added to describe the Motivation and design rationale.
The protocol design in section 4 has been revised based on TLS 1.3.
Since we are not very familiar with security-related technologies, would you like to help us improve the content of security considerations?
Best Regards,
Wei
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From: Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de>
Date: 2026-02-02 19:24
To: Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
Cc: tls <tls@ietf.org>, draft-wang-tls-service-affinity <draft-wang-tls-service-affinity@ietf.org>, Mohit Sahni <msahni@paloaltonetworks.com>
Subject: [TLS] Re: 【Reply to the comments after the presentation in Montreal】RE: Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-wang-tls-service-affinity-00.txt
On 30.01.26 14:25, Aijun Wang wrote: We will refine the draft in the coming days which will try to address your comments.
Thanks. Here is a structure that would help me to help you :)
Introduction
Problem statement: Say in general what the problem is. IMHO this should not include CATS. Anyone unfamiliar with CATS should be able to understand your problem.
Terminology
Define any terms not defined in RFC8446bis
Motivation and design rationale
I really like how Russ motivates the problem statement in RFC8773bis [0]. Use it as a sample.
Here you should address all the concerns from WG, including justification with compelling arguments and authentic references why you think it should be done within TLS handshake.
You could put CATS here as a motivational use case.
Proposed solution (one or more sections)
Protocol design with protocol diagram (Use TLS 1.3 only)
Security considerations
Threat model
Desired security goals
Other security implications/considerations
Hope it helps.
You may also find [1] helpful. I will update it in the next weeks with more details.
-Usama
[0] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-tls-8773bis-13.html#section-3
[1] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-usama-tls-fatt-extension-01.html#section-4
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