Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TLS and non-secure on same port (WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-iana-ports-08)
Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Wed, 10 November 2010 03:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TLS and non-secure on same port (WGLC: draft-ietf-tsvwg-iana-ports-08)
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Peter Gutmann wrote: > Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> writes: > >> I think what we're seeing in the land of constrained devices is the flipside >> of Moore's Law: not more powerful devices, but cheaper devices. > > That's a good way of putting it (having done a lot of embedded crypto work, > the issue of people continually wishing away performance issues is a pet > peeve). Just in the last week I've had three requests from companies wanting > to run standard crypto protocols on Cortex M3 hardware. In all three cases > I've had to tell them "you can't do that" because, well, you can't. I totally appreciate that not all hardware is crypto-capable; I'm not wishing away performance issues (if you were referring to me). But I just made a TLS 1.0 connection from my MP3 player (!!!) to my TLS test server. I mean are we not living in the future??? Mike
- [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TLS an… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Steingruebl, Andy
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Juho Vähä-Herttua
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Juho Vähä-Herttua
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Chris Newman
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Matt DeMoss
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Security concerns around co-locating TL… Joe Touch