Re: [TLS] draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator questions

Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> Sat, 22 July 2017 05:35 UTC

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:34:54 +0300
From: Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com>
To: Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator questions
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:17:08PM -0700, Watson Ladd wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com> wrote:
> > Unrelated to Ilari's questions, I wonder if we want to say anything about
> > certificate_request_context values being unique across both in-TLS
> > post-handshake auth and exported authenticators.
> 
> This context is not a security sensitive thing: it is for disambiguation.

I'm not so sure about that.

If crc is repeated within a connection, then the old certificate
message can be replayed.

If crc is guessed, then reply can be pregenerated anytime during
connection.

However, neither seems crticial, but might be of magnitude to note.


-Ilari