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Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 09 August 2022 22:59 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:59:01 -0700
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 3:47 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 3:40 PM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> P.S. I don't think that this tone "...but go on" is particularly helpful
>> in this discussion.
>>
>
> Well, it's easy. You said "require", and I just give very little credence
> to the CABF, because I think it is nonsense.
>

Be that as it may, the browsers generally require conformance to the BRs
(see, for
instance
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/security-group/certs/policy/
S 2.3,
https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/root-ca-policy/ S 1)
so what the BRs say is relevant in this discussion.

-Ekr

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