Re: [TLS] Thanks to Benjamin Kaduk

Sean Turner <> Fri, 09 November 2018 02:38 UTC

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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 09:38:37 +0700
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> On Nov 9, 2018, at 00:21, Nico Williams <> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 08, 2018 at 11:49:45AM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
>> I wanted to thank Ben for the outreach he did in the last six months on
>> the tls dnssec chain extension. It has been a difficult issue and I do
>> wish the outcome was different. But during this time Ben put a lot of
>> effort in trying to get the issues clarified and resolved both on the
>> list of offlist. He repeatedly tried to engage more people of the WG
>> and he made me feel that my opinions were not ignored.
>> I am going to think a bit more on how we as IETF could have done better
>> in this case, but I did want to share with the group that I think Ben
>> made a real difference in trying to get this document out.
>> Thanks Ben!
> I'd like to second this.

I would like to thank Ben as well.  He has done an exemplar job as AD.

I would also like to thank my co-chairs Chris and Joe.  Both Chris and Joe participated in a side meeting at IETF 102 as well as the virtual interim in September solely dedicated to this draft.

> I'd also like to state a mea culpa.  I did not understand the extent to
> which this controversy would become a DoS on the WG.  Perhaps it would
> have been better to not get involved and then later publish a better
> version of the extension.  I can't be sure, but certainly avoiding that
> large exchange of email would have been better.

As co-chair, I feel like I have not done the greatest job during this effort, as I noted at the mic at IETF 103.  I will repeat what I said at the mic - this was not my/our finest hour.

The chairs are trying to learn from our mistakes.  We are planning to have post mortem discussion with our AD as soon as reasonably possible to learn for our mistakes. If anyone wants to provide feedback please do so either directly to Ben (mailto:kaduk@MIT.EDU), us (, the IETF chair (, or the ombudsteam (see