Re: [TLS] PR#962:CertificateRequest in post-handhake phase

Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> Tue, 18 April 2017 19:41 UTC

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:41:34 +0300
From: Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] PR#962:CertificateRequest in post-handhake phase
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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 09:48:33AM -0400, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> https://github.com/tlswg/tls13-spec/pull/962
> Target merge date: Thursday
> 
> In reviewing the specification, I noticed that we seem to have banned the
> use of CertificateRequest with PSK both in the main handshake and in the
> post-handshake phase. I don't believe that this was intentional and it
> makes it very hard to use client auth with resumption. Accordingly I have
> filed the above PR to remove that restriction (while retaining it for the
> main handshake). As I understand it, several of the analyses we have
> already assumed this case and covered it, so no additional work is needed
> there.

On topic of PSKs, I noticed that TLS 1.3 makes it very easy to mount
dictionary attacks against PSK, regardless of DHE-PSK (especially to
recover the client PSK). I assumed that the document already documents
this, but I couldn't find any remark that using low-entropy PSKs is very
bad idea.

IIRC, the TLS 1.0-1.2 PSK RFC does discuss dictionary attacks a bit.


-Ilari