Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Recommendation 9 from Results and analysis of the survey of I-D authors on formats and tools

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Sat, 06 February 2021 02:24 UTC

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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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> On 6 Feb 2021, at 1:35 am, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the history, Carsten – very helpful.
>  
> So then kramdown-rfc is *both* a piece of software *and* an extension specification for Markdown.  Yes?    If so, does there exist a document that describes those extensions and their behavior?   Because, to me as a standards guy, that is the important thing.   Making sure that there is a formal specification which *anyone* can use to develop their own tooling.

If only we held the XML format to such a high bar...


(I'll show myself out.)

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