Re: [Tools-discuss] Changed look and feel was Re: Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker

"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Fri, 13 May 2022 14:37 UTC

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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 10:36:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Changed look and feel was Re: Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker
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Carsten,

Thanks for that clarification, and you're right,  it is browser dependent.
I lose a line or two when using the space bar to page up in Safari, but
Firefox handles it correctly. So it is a bug, depending on your browser.

I just opened a new issue, "Browser-dependent paging issue #3959".

Cheers,
Andy


On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:15 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On 2022-05-13, at 14:53, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see the menu bar "overlaying the content of the screen", it's
> always at the top of the window. I agree that it's using pixel space at the
> top of the window that could be used for content, but it's necessary.
>
> I do see that.  Go at any page you would want to scroll through, e.g.,
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8628/ (any will do), and press the
> space bar.
>
> The browser will page forward one screen page.  Unfortunately, the top of
> the next screen page just revealed is hidden by the topbox, so you have to
> scroll back by one line or two; the scroll command you need becomes
> space-up-up or some such.
>
> The exact nature of this gap does depend on the browser and how much it
> already compensates for this widely seen misbehavior of web pages.  It
> seems better in recent versions of Chrome and Firefox, so I mostly see it
> in Safari these days.
> (Fortunately, the bug is irrelevant on mobile, as you scroll by swiping.
> Now if only the page would fit horizontally, so that swiping doesn’t
> create random horizontal scrolling, hiding the left end of the page...)
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
>