Re: [Tools-discuss] Changed look and feel was Re: Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 13 May 2022 14:15 UTC

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On 2022-05-13, at 14:53, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't see the menu bar "overlaying the content of the screen", it's always at the top of the window. I agree that it's using pixel space at the top of the window that could be used for content, but it's necessary.

I do see that.  Go at any page you would want to scroll through, e.g., https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8628/ (any will do), and press the space bar.

The browser will page forward one screen page.  Unfortunately, the top of the next screen page just revealed is hidden by the topbox, so you have to scroll back by one line or two; the scroll command you need becomes space-up-up or some such.

The exact nature of this gap does depend on the browser and how much it already compensates for this widely seen misbehavior of web pages.  It seems better in recent versions of Chrome and Firefox, so I mostly see it in Safari these days.
(Fortunately, the bug is irrelevant on mobile, as you scroll by swiping.
Now if only the page would fit horizontally, so that swiping doesn’t create random horizontal scrolling, hiding the left end of the page...)

Grüße, Carsten