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Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> Mon, 08 April 2024 14:55 UTC

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From: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk>
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
CC: Tim Chown <Tim.Chown=40jisc.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>, "tools-discuss@ietf.org" <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
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Hi Bob,

On 8 Apr 2024, at 15:48, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

Tim,

On Apr 8, 2024, at 7:07 AM, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown=40jisc.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi,

I was caught out this week looking at RFC 4861 as part of reviewing the draft on a new P bit for PIOs.

I missed the “updated by RFC 8425” on RFC 4861 as I was looking at the HTML rendered version of RFC 4861 at
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4861.html
rather than the datatracker version at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc4861/
where you can see RFC 8425 (and RFC 9131) listed as updating RFCs which are missing on the HTML rendered version.  There was a clue I missed in that the 7th of 9 RFCs in the Updated by list had a comma after it, but no RFC.

The text and PDF versions don’t show any of the updating RFCs for RFC 4861.

The htmlized version:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4861

Does show the list of updated RFCs in the sidebar.

Thanks, so should we consider the HMTL version as obsolete or no longer supported?

I don’t mind as such, but personally I won’t be looking at the HTML version again having been bitten here. Unfortunately it’s the version google search returns first, so many people will routinely find it.

Maybe the HTML version should have a clearer indication that the link to “Tracker” at the top is the authoritative source from which other versions can be found?  Quite a few people less familiar with IETF process may have no idea what “Tracker” means.

Tim

Bob


I’m wondering whether the updating RFCs should just be metadata to the RFCs, or be included fully in all RFCs in all versions.  It’s a little dangerous/confusing when you only see a partial list.  Or maybe I shouldn’t be looking at the HTML but rather the HTMLised version?

Tim
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