[rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents?
Eric.Gray at marconi.com (Gray, Eric) Sat, 29 April 2006 14:11 UTC
From: "Eric.Gray at marconi.com"
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:11:58 -0400
Subject: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents?
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Thanks, Russ! --> -----Original Message----- --> From: rbridge-bounces at postel.org --> [mailto:rbridge-bounces at postel.org] On Behalf Of Russ White --> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:06 AM --> To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. --> Subject: Re: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? --> --> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- --> Hash: SHA1 --> --> --> I've looked these over, and sent some comments to Eric, but --> I think, in --> general, they are fine to accept as WG docs. --> --> :-) --> --> Russ --> --> Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 wrote: --> > Hi, --> > --> > We don't think there have been any comments on the list, since the --> > message below, about the two drafts mentioned. Please, could a few --> > people take a look and post to the list? --> > --> > We will wait another week or so for comments. --> > --> > Thanks, --> > --> > Donald and Erik --> > --> > -----Original Message----- --> > From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:erik.nordmark at sun.com] --> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM --> > To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. --> > Cc: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 --> > Subject: Ready to accept as WG documents? --> > --> > At the IETF meeting in Dallas we discussed the two --> documents below, but --> > when it came to asking whether we should accept them as --> WG documents --> > there was a very small number of people that had read them. --> > --> > I know that some people read them and provided comments after the --> > meeting ended. --> > --> > For those that haven't read them, I'd suggest you have a --> look whether --> > they are on the right path. They are not likely to be a --> finished product --> > now, but we want to understand whether they are in the --> right direction --> > before we accept them as WG documents and have them --> edited into shape. --> > --> > So please read and comment on the mailing list, (and --> those that have --> > already read them can skip the first step :-) --> > --> > We'll look at the input a week from today and see how many have --> > commented. Thus it is IMPORTANT that you say "looks ok" --> if you've read --> > it and thinks it is a good starting point for the WG's --> deliverable. --> > --> > Note that this is NOT a WG last call - we just want to --> make sure that --> > the WG is comfortable using these documents as starting --> points for the --> > WG deliverables in question; I'm sure there are and will --> be open issues --> > to resolve before the documents can be finished. --> > --> > The documents are --> > draft-gray-trill-rbridge-arch-00.txt --> > draft-gray-trill-routing-reqs-00.txt --> > --> > Erik and Donald --> > _______________________________________________ --> > rbridge mailing list --> > rbridge at postel.org --> > http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge --> --> - -- --> riw at cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone --> --> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- --> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) --> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org --> --> iD8DBQFEU2SzER27sUhU9OQRAq1QAJ474JMPIRI9eueHU8WcCSKK/GEkVACgi/b/ --> iCAhHjtdqrOk0ueiAvplMkM= --> =rU82 --> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --> _______________________________________________ --> rbridge mailing list --> rbridge at postel.org --> http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge --> Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3TEC6Q03051 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3TEC0x4003393 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com (uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.221]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12160 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uspitsmsgrtr01.pit.comms.marconi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <J3ZMHYBQ>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <313680C9A886D511A06000204840E1CF0DDAF574@whq-msgusr-02.pit.comms.marconi.com> From: "Gray, Eric" <Eric.Gray@marconi.com> To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:11:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: eric.gray@marconi.com Subject: Re: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:12:44 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 3333 Thanks, Russ! --> -----Original Message----- --> From: rbridge-bounces@postel.org --> [mailto:rbridge-bounces@postel.org] On Behalf Of Russ White --> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:06 AM --> To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. --> Subject: Re: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? --> --> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- --> Hash: SHA1 --> --> --> I've looked these over, and sent some comments to Eric, but --> I think, in --> general, they are fine to accept as WG docs. --> --> :-) --> --> Russ --> --> Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 wrote: --> > Hi, --> > --> > We don't think there have been any comments on the list, since the --> > message below, about the two drafts mentioned. Please, could a few --> > people take a look and post to the list? --> > --> > We will wait another week or so for comments. --> > --> > Thanks, --> > --> > Donald and Erik --> > --> > -----Original Message----- --> > From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:erik.nordmark@sun.com] --> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM --> > To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. --> > Cc: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 --> > Subject: Ready to accept as WG documents? --> > --> > At the IETF meeting in Dallas we discussed the two --> documents below, but --> > when it came to asking whether we should accept them as --> WG documents --> > there was a very small number of people that had read them. --> > --> > I know that some people read them and provided comments after the --> > meeting ended. --> > --> > For those that haven't read them, I'd suggest you have a --> look whether --> > they are on the right path. They are not likely to be a --> finished product --> > now, but we want to understand whether they are in the --> right direction --> > before we accept them as WG documents and have them --> edited into shape. --> > --> > So please read and comment on the mailing list, (and --> those that have --> > already read them can skip the first step :-) --> > --> > We'll look at the input a week from today and see how many have --> > commented. Thus it is IMPORTANT that you say "looks ok" --> if you've read --> > it and thinks it is a good starting point for the WG's --> deliverable. --> > --> > Note that this is NOT a WG last call - we just want to --> make sure that --> > the WG is comfortable using these documents as starting --> points for the --> > WG deliverables in question; I'm sure there are and will --> be open issues --> > to resolve before the documents can be finished. --> > --> > The documents are --> > draft-gray-trill-rbridge-arch-00.txt --> > draft-gray-trill-routing-reqs-00.txt --> > --> > Erik and Donald --> > _______________________________________________ --> > rbridge mailing list --> > rbridge@postel.org --> > http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge --> --> - -- --> riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone --> --> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- --> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) --> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org --> --> iD8DBQFEU2SzER27sUhU9OQRAq1QAJ474JMPIRI9eueHU8WcCSKK/GEkVACgi/b/ --> iCAhHjtdqrOk0ueiAvplMkM= --> =rU82 --> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --> _______________________________________________ --> rbridge mailing list --> rbridge@postel.org --> http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge --> Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3TD64Q15822 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com ([64.102.124.13]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Apr 2006 09:05:58 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,165,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="87519038:sNHT30583556" Received: from [10.82.216.225] (rtp-vpn3-225.cisco.com [10.82.216.225]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k3TD5vvF001904 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <445364B3.3030700@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:05:55 -0400 From: Russ White <riw@cisco.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> References: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D9790D5236C@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> In-Reply-To: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D9790D5236C@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: riw@cisco.com Subject: Re: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:06:45 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 2504 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've looked these over, and sent some comments to Eric, but I think, in general, they are fine to accept as WG docs. :-) Russ Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 wrote: > Hi, > > We don't think there have been any comments on the list, since the > message below, about the two drafts mentioned. Please, could a few > people take a look and post to the list? > > We will wait another week or so for comments. > > Thanks, > > Donald and Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:erik.nordmark@sun.com] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM > To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. > Cc: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 > Subject: Ready to accept as WG documents? > > At the IETF meeting in Dallas we discussed the two documents below, but > when it came to asking whether we should accept them as WG documents > there was a very small number of people that had read them. > > I know that some people read them and provided comments after the > meeting ended. > > For those that haven't read them, I'd suggest you have a look whether > they are on the right path. They are not likely to be a finished product > now, but we want to understand whether they are in the right direction > before we accept them as WG documents and have them edited into shape. > > So please read and comment on the mailing list, (and those that have > already read them can skip the first step :-) > > We'll look at the input a week from today and see how many have > commented. Thus it is IMPORTANT that you say "looks ok" if you've read > it and thinks it is a good starting point for the WG's deliverable. > > Note that this is NOT a WG last call - we just want to make sure that > the WG is comfortable using these documents as starting points for the > WG deliverables in question; I'm sure there are and will be open issues > to resolve before the documents can be finished. > > The documents are > draft-gray-trill-rbridge-arch-00.txt > draft-gray-trill-routing-reqs-00.txt > > Erik and Donald > _______________________________________________ > rbridge mailing list > rbridge@postel.org > http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge - -- riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEU2SzER27sUhU9OQRAq1QAJ474JMPIRI9eueHU8WcCSKK/GEkVACgi/b/ iCAhHjtdqrOk0ueiAvplMkM= =rU82 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from motgate8.mot.com (motgate8.mot.com [129.188.136.8]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3J5BEC20466 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from az33exr01.mot.com ([10.64.251.231]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k3J5RnFa011844 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:27:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm64.ds.mot.com (de01exm64.am.mot.com [10.176.8.15]) by az33exr01.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k3J5X8tg010123 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:33:09 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D9790D5236C@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ready to accept as WG documents? Thread-Index: AcZXUAM7q7HEfEl0ROWqaz/IyZHBvQMHwo6g From: "Eastlake III Donald-LDE008" <Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com> To: <rbridge@postel.org> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAQ= X-White-List-Member: TRUE X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: donald.eastlake@motorola.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boreas.isi.edu id k3J5BEC20466 Subject: [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:11:37 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1760 Hi, We don't think there have been any comments on the list, since the message below, about the two drafts mentioned. Please, could a few people take a look and post to the list? We will wait another week or so for comments. Thanks, Donald and Erik -----Original Message----- From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:erik.nordmark@sun.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. Cc: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 Subject: Ready to accept as WG documents? At the IETF meeting in Dallas we discussed the two documents below, but when it came to asking whether we should accept them as WG documents there was a very small number of people that had read them. I know that some people read them and provided comments after the meeting ended. For those that haven't read them, I'd suggest you have a look whether they are on the right path. They are not likely to be a finished product now, but we want to understand whether they are in the right direction before we accept them as WG documents and have them edited into shape. So please read and comment on the mailing list, (and those that have already read them can skip the first step :-) We'll look at the input a week from today and see how many have commented. Thus it is IMPORTANT that you say "looks ok" if you've read it and thinks it is a good starting point for the WG's deliverable. Note that this is NOT a WG last call - we just want to make sure that the WG is comfortable using these documents as starting points for the WG deliverables in question; I'm sure there are and will be open issues to resolve before the documents can be finished. The documents are draft-gray-trill-rbridge-arch-00.txt draft-gray-trill-routing-reqs-00.txt Erik and Donald Received: from motgate7.mot.com (motgate7.mot.com [129.188.136.7]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3I4mBC15814 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com ([10.64.251.234]) by motgate7.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k3I5JUwH024246 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:19:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm64.ds.mot.com (de01exm64.am.mot.com [10.176.8.15]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k3I4xgMC018188 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:59:42 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D9790D173B5@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Confirmation of WG consensus Thread-Index: AcZXT/mHz4L9PwZCR3msAPRJr64iHwLUwq7w From: "Eastlake III Donald-LDE008" <Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com> To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAQ= X-White-List-Member: TRUE X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: donald.eastlake@motorola.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by boreas.isi.edu id k3I4mBC15814 Subject: Re: [rbridge] Confirmation of WG consensus X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:48:27 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1038 Hi, There having been no negative comments, these drafts are now working group drafts and should be re-submitted with draft-ietf-trill-... file names. Donald and Erik -----Original Message----- From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:erik.nordmark@sun.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM To: Developing a hybrid router/bridge. Cc: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 Subject: Confirmation of WG consensus At the IETF meeting in Dallas there was consensus in the room to adopt the following two documents as WG documents (meaning that future revisions will be named draft-ietf-trill- and that they will appear on the WG web page): draft-touch-trill-prob-00.txt draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-protocol-00.txt Any objections or comments? Note that the documents have some open issues, some of them being discussed on the mailing list already, which will continue until the WG considers the documents finish. Thus this was NOT a WG last call; just a check whether the WG wants to consider the documents for its starting point. Erik and Donald Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com (e31.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.149]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3DNd8X06273 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3DNd1U0007080 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:39:01 -0400 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k3DNZTQC265742 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:35:29 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3DNd0UH002168 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:39:00 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-227-99.mts.ibm.com [9.65.227.99]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3DNd0Tn002155; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:39:00 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k3DNcwcM012573; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:38:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200604132338.k3DNcwcM012573@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> In-Reply-To: Message from Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> of "Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:09:32 EDT." <8460AD46-CD09-4A2F-BBB1-AAEACF85E0C2@multicasttech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:38:58 -0400 From: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com> X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: narten@us.ibm.com Cc: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>, Isidor Kouvelas <kouvelas@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [rbridge] FYI: Where IGMP snooping and multicast router discovery are written up X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:39:33 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 534 > draft-ietf-magma-snoop-12.txt > is in the RFC editor queue, and has been for a while (2003-11-24). FYI, the current state (from http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue.html) is: > 2003-11-24 draft-ietf-magma-snoop-12.txt > RFC-EDITOR > M. Christensen, K. Kimball, F. Solensky > Considerations for IGMP and MLD Snooping Switches > Bytes: 55086 > Working Group: Multicast and Anycast Group Membership >From the key RFC-EDITOR = Pending rfc-editor final review before authors 48 hours So, this doc really should be an RFC RSN. Thomas Received: from multicasttech.com (IDENT:root@lennon.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.7]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k3749HU21665 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [63.105.122.7] (account marshall_eubanks HELO [IPv6:::1]) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 4379698; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:08:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4435DA88.70005@sun.com> References: <44316F4F.8060202@sun.com> <4435DA88.70005@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8460AD46-CD09-4A2F-BBB1-AAEACF85E0C2@multicasttech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:09:32 -0400 To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: tme@multicasttech.com Cc: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>, Isidor Kouvelas <kouvelas@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [rbridge] FYI: Where IGMP snooping and multicast router discovery are written up X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:10:18 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 3030 Dear Radia; On Apr 6, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Radia Perlman wrote: > There's two documents that Bill Fenner pointed me to, and I will put > pointers into > the protocol draft (rather than duplicating all the mechanisms). > > One document explains how to find multicast routers. This is important > because > multicast packets and IGMP reports > must be sent to each every link on which there is a multicast router. > > The multicast router discovery is explained in: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4286 > Since this is an RFC, so we don't have to duplicate what's in it, > and we can just > point to it. > > The other document explains how to recognize IGMP packets of > various sorts. > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/magma/draft-ietf-magma-snoop/draft-ietf- > magma-snoop-12.txt > > It is unfortunately an internet draft, but hopefully it will become > an RFC. Does anyone know whether it will? If it will, then we can > point to it, rather The draft draft-ietf-magma-snoop-12.txt is in the RFC editor queue, and has been for a while (2003-11-24). This was being held up because of a reference to draft-ietf-magma- mrdisc AKA RFC 4286, but this has now of course cleared up and I believe that now it's just in the RFC ED backlog. The co-chairs of MAGMA (cc'ed here) should know more, but I would guess it will be a numbered RFC very soon now. Regards Marshall > than duplicating the content. I'll have to read it carefully, but > it's possible RBridges > will want to distribute the IGMP messages slightly differently than > bridges would, > for instance, by announcing receivers in link state information > rather than > learning it from forwarding IGMP announcements. IGMP announcements > still need to > be forwarded, but only to links with multicast routers. The magma > draft says > to only filter at the last hop, but since RBridges will be > informing each other of > the location of multicast routers, IGMP reports can be suppressed > upstream, though > this isn't a large optimization. > > Anyway, since RBridges can work a little differently from bridges, > we can't just point > to this document. On the other hand, it's real nice not to have to > explain the > format of IGMP messages of various versions. If n documents in k > different working > groups all try to do that, then if a new version of IGMP occurs, it > will be very > difficult to find all affected documents. > > I'll read this document carefully and as much as possible point to > it rather than > duplicating its content, but others may also want to read it and > think about what > differences we might want in the RBridge world. > > Unless of course this isn't intended to ever be an RFC, in which > case we'll have > to capture all the relevant content...I assume someone will let us > know the intention > of the magma draft. > > Radia > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rbridge mailing list > rbridge@postel.org > http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge Received: from mail-mta.sunlabs.com (dyn50.sunlabs.com [204.153.12.50]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k373KnU09975 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sunlabs.com ([152.70.2.186]) by dps.sfvic.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXC00K0L1AHGE00@dps.sfvic.sunlabs.com> for rbridge@postel.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun.com ([129.150.27.140]) by mail.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXC00JES1AFP9P0@mail.sunlabs.com> for rbridge@postel.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:20:40 -0700 From: Radia Perlman <Radia.Perlman@sun.com> In-reply-to: <44316F4F.8060202@sun.com> To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> Message-id: <4435DA88.70005@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <44316F4F.8060202@sun.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031008 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: radia.perlman@sun.com Subject: [rbridge] FYI: Where IGMP snooping and multicast router discovery are written up X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:21:18 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 2227 There's two documents that Bill Fenner pointed me to, and I will put pointers into the protocol draft (rather than duplicating all the mechanisms). One document explains how to find multicast routers. This is important because multicast packets and IGMP reports must be sent to each every link on which there is a multicast router. The multicast router discovery is explained in: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4286 Since this is an RFC, so we don't have to duplicate what's in it, and we can just point to it. The other document explains how to recognize IGMP packets of various sorts. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/magma/draft-ietf-magma-snoop/draft-ietf-magma-snoop-12.txt It is unfortunately an internet draft, but hopefully it will become an RFC. Does anyone know whether it will? If it will, then we can point to it, rather than duplicating the content. I'll have to read it carefully, but it's possible RBridges will want to distribute the IGMP messages slightly differently than bridges would, for instance, by announcing receivers in link state information rather than learning it from forwarding IGMP announcements. IGMP announcements still need to be forwarded, but only to links with multicast routers. The magma draft says to only filter at the last hop, but since RBridges will be informing each other of the location of multicast routers, IGMP reports can be suppressed upstream, though this isn't a large optimization. Anyway, since RBridges can work a little differently from bridges, we can't just point to this document. On the other hand, it's real nice not to have to explain the format of IGMP messages of various versions. If n documents in k different working groups all try to do that, then if a new version of IGMP occurs, it will be very difficult to find all affected documents. I'll read this document carefully and as much as possible point to it rather than duplicating its content, but others may also want to read it and think about what differences we might want in the RBridge world. Unless of course this isn't intended to ever be an RFC, in which case we'll have to capture all the relevant content...I assume someone will let us know the intention of the magma draft. Radia Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k33IsBG21227 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.58.166]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33IsASD024784; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.9.61.11] (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [192.9.61.11]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.5+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Is80d205310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44316F4F.8060202@sun.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:54:07 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark <erik.nordmark@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: erik.nordmark@sun.com Subject: [rbridge] Ready to accept as WG documents? X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:54:53 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1274 At the IETF meeting in Dallas we discussed the two documents below, but when it came to asking whether we should accept them as WG documents there was a very small number of people that had read them. I know that some people read them and provided comments after the meeting ended. For those that haven't read them, I'd suggest you have a look whether they are on the right path. They are not likely to be a finished product now, but we want to understand whether they are in the right direction before we accept them as WG documents and have them edited into shape. So please read and comment on the mailing list, (and those that have already read them can skip the first step :-) We'll look at the input a week from today and see how many have commented. Thus it is IMPORTANT that you say "looks ok" if you've read it and thinks it is a good starting point for the WG's deliverable. Note that this is NOT a WG last call - we just want to make sure that the WG is comfortable using these documents as starting points for the WG deliverables in question; I'm sure there are and will be open issues to resolve before the documents can be finished. The documents are draft-gray-trill-rbridge-arch-00.txt draft-gray-trill-routing-reqs-00.txt Erik and Donald Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k33IrvG21138 for <rbridge@postel.org>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.108.38]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33IrtSD024497; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.9.61.11] (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [192.9.61.11]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.5+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Irqpw205072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44316F40.20408@sun.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:53:52 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark <erik.nordmark@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: erik.nordmark@sun.com Subject: [rbridge] Confirmation of WG consensus X-BeenThere: rbridge@postel.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge@postel.org> List-Id: "Developing a hybrid router/bridge." <rbridge.postel.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.postel.org/pipermail/rbridge> List-Post: <mailto:rbridge@postel.org> List-Help: <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/rbridge>, <mailto:rbridge-request@postel.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:54:52 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 645 At the IETF meeting in Dallas there was consensus in the room to adopt the following two documents as WG documents (meaning that future revisions will be named draft-ietf-trill- and that they will appear on the WG web page): draft-touch-trill-prob-00.txt draft-perlman-trill-rbridge-protocol-00.txt Any objections or comments? Note that the documents have some open issues, some of them being discussed on the mailing list already, which will continue until the WG considers the documents finish. Thus this was NOT a WG last call; just a check whether the WG wants to consider the documents for its starting point. Erik and Donald
- [rbridge] Ready to accept as WG documents? Erik Nordmark
- [rbridge] FYI: Where IGMP snooping and multicast … Radia Perlman
- [rbridge] FYI: Where IGMP snooping and multicast … Marshall Eubanks
- [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? Russ White
- [rbridge] FW: Ready to accept as WG documents? Gray, Eric