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Re: [Tsv-art] do we need a checklist or guidelines?

"Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com> Wed, 19 July 2017 18:34 UTC

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From: "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, "tsv-art@ietf.org" <tsv-art@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] do we need a checklist or guidelines?
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l deal with the LWIG document (to ensure TCPM review) and as of now I don't think I need any formal checklist for that specific document. 

Also, we decided to publish documents such as DCTCP for somewhat controlled environments. I am not sure if DCTCP would really meet requirement b). So this sort of list may be non-trivial.

Michael



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tsv-art [mailto:tsv-art-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Touch
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:17 PM
> To: tsv-art@ietf.org
> Subject: [Tsv-art] do we need a checklist or guidelines?
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> I'm seeing increasingly bizzare attempts to modify TCP.
> 
> We currently have two requirements for TCP mods, AFAICT:
> 
>     a) passes TSV-chair, TSV-ART, and possibly TCPM, TSVWG, etc. review
> 
>     b) includes "TCP-friendliness" (mostly for congestion control)
> 
> I propose it's time for some new criteria, as follows. Can others let me know
> if this would be useful to document somehow, whether formally as an ID or
> at least as a TSV-ART checklist?
> 
>     c) compliant with existing TCP requirements, notably:
> 
>         1) compatible with already-defined TCP options
> 
>         2) fail-safe fallback to legacy endpoints (notably not requiring a new
> connection attempt with different parameters)
> 
> Criteria "c)" is currently under "attack" (imo) by some in the LWIP and MPTCP
> groups, the former which hasn't addressed this issue at all and the latter
> appears to be actively rejecting it.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> I'd be glad to write this up further, with justification.
> 
> Joe
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