Re: [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-mmusic-msrp-usage-data-channel-23

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Wed, 12 August 2020 20:22 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com>, "tsv-art@ietf.org" <tsv-art@ietf.org>
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Hi Yoshifumi,

Thank You for the review! Please see inline.

>Summary: This document is almost ready for publication, but I think it will be better to clarify the following points.
>
>1: If the other endpoints is on a TCP connection, It seems to me that it can look downgrading the security level of the connection.
>   If this is the case, do we need some guidance here?

I assume you are talking about the gateway.

It is true that "legacy" MSRP allows TCP transport. RFC 4975 describe the security issues associated with that.

I suggest to add the following text to the Security Considerations.

OLD:

   "MSRP traffic over data channels is secured, including
   confidentiality, integrity and source authentication, as specified by
   [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-channel]."

NEW:

   "MSRP traffic over data channels is secured, including
   confidentiality, integrity and source authentication, as specified by
   [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-channel]. However, [RFC4975] allows transport of
   MSRP traffic over non-secured TCP connections. In a gateway scenario,
   unless the operator mandates usage of TLS, the MSRP traffic will not be
   secured all the way between the MSRP endpoints. [RFC4975] describes
   the security considerations associated with non-secured MSRP traffic."

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> 2: 'If the non-data channel endpoint does not support MSRP CEMA, transport level interworking mode is not possible,
>   it needs to act as an MSRP B2BUA.'
>   -> This may sound like it falls back to B2BUA when CEMA is not available.
>        But, I guess there might be a case where users don't want fallback.

I don't think the users really care. CEMA is a transport connection establishment feature. Even with legacy MSRP, there
could be a fallback if one of the endpoints don't support CEMA, but users are not informed about whether CEMA is used or not. 
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> 3: As the doc mentions the use of B2BUA, it might be useful to refer security consideration in RFC7092 in Section 9.

I assume you mean Section 6?

I can add an informative reference to RFC7092:

OLD:

   "In one model, the gateway performs as an MSRP Back-to-Back User Agent
   (B2BUA) to interwork all the procedures as necessary between the
   endpoints.  No further specification is needed for this model."

NEW:

   "In one model, the gateway performs as an MSRP Back-to-Back User Agent
   (B2BUA) [RFC7092] to interwork all the procedures as necessary between the
   endpoints.  No further specification is needed for this model."

---

Regards,

Christer