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Greg White <g.white@CableLabs.com> Wed, 17 July 2019 16:46 UTC

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From: Greg White <g.white@CableLabs.com>
To: Uffe Callesen <ufca@stofa.dk>, "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>
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Thanks Uffe.  

Indeed, cloud gaming services will almost certainly need to take advantage of any opportunity to minimize latency and jitter.  NQB marking of controller traffic, along with support for L4S-style "immediate ECN" marking (and responsiveness) for the video stream will likely be critical.

-Greg


On 7/8/19, 4:59 AM, "tsvwg on behalf of Uffe Callesen" <tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of ufca@stofa.dk> wrote:

    Seen from a FTTH/Cable operator perspective there appears to be a lot of potential in this solution - most noticeably for the growing number of broadband customers that use our Access networks for online Gaming.
    
    We are challenged by the high latency and jitter on our Docsis networks when it comes to Online Gaming and specifically the anticipated growth of Cloud Gaming services will possibly make this an even bigger challenge (Google Stadia, Microsoft xCloud etc..).
     
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