[Tsvwg] Re: Last Call: Robust ECN Signaling with Nonces to Experimental
Mark Allman <mallman@grc.nasa.gov> Thu, 12 December 2002 04:03 UTC
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Tsvwg] Re: Last Call: Robust ECN Signaling with Nonces to Experimental
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Folks- I asked a couple of questions about why this document is slated for experimental earlier today. After some useful discussion I was asked to state my opinion on this matter in public (for the record and for others to shoot at, I presume). > The IESG has received a request from the Transport Area Working > Group Working Group to consider Robust ECN Signaling with Nonces > <draft-ietf-tsvwg-tcp-nonce-04.txt> as an Experimental Protocol. I think this document should go forward as a proposed standard rather than experimental. I see the role of experimental as for things that we are just not sure about. The recent byte-counting I-D is a good example. From everything we know about it, consensus seems to be that it should be OK. But, it seems to me that the change is non-trivial enough and the direction of the questions are in the behavior of TCP in shared networks and what sorts of effects the change will have on traffic patterns. So, going through a period of experimental status seems fine and prudent to me. But, it seems to me that the ECN nonce is pretty straightforward. I have good confidence that it will not fail in ways that are unsafe to the global network. Of course, there is always the possibility of unforeseen interactions, but my own opinion is that the nonce is ready for proposed standard (which is not a full standard and we can still tweak things later). allman -- Mark Allman -- BBN/NASA GRC -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg
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