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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] SCTP question
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Do other people agree?- especially Randall, as editor of RFC4960, and other people who've been involved a lot with SCTP?
Thanks
phil


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From: Proshin, Maksim [mailto:mproshin@mera.ru] 
Sent: 17 October 2018 09:32
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>; Eardley,PL,Philip,TUD1 R <philip.eardley@bt.com>
Cc: Wilks,PB,Perry,TLB35 R <perry.wilks@bt.com>; tsvwg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [tsvwg] SCTP question

Hi Neil,

In general it's not correct to say that "shall" is the same as SHALL. Thus RFC 8174 explains that "only UPPERCASE usage of the key words have the defined special meanings".
Saying this anyway I think that RFC 4960 actually means SHALL/MUST in that note.  

BR, Maxim


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From: tsvwg [mailto:tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Neil Horman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 20:36
To: philip.eardley@bt.com
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] SCTP question

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 02:42:05PM +0000, philip.eardley@bt.com wrote:
> A colleague of mine, Perry, has a couple of questions about SCTP RFC4960. He's in the BT design team on Signalling protocols and concerned about conformance testing amongst other issues.
> 
> The statement is on page 57 of RFC4960  (section on Association initialisation) "Note: T1-init timer and T1-cookie timer shall follow the same rules given in Section 6.3."
> The question is: how should the "shall" be interpreted in this sentence? Does it mean that the S6.3 rules MUST be followed? Or does it mean that the S6.3 rules are optional - in which case, are there any thoughts about rules other than those in S6.3?
> 
The conventions section indicates that they keyword SHALL is goverened by RFC2119, which asserts SHALL is synonomous with the keywork MUST.  That is to say that the phrase above on page 57 of RFC4960 is an absolute requirement.  You have to have the T1-init and T1-cookie timer follow the same rules given in Section 6.3

Neil

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