Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim
Bob Briscoe <in@bobbriscoe.net> Fri, 06 March 2020 17:27 UTC
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From: Bob Briscoe <in@bobbriscoe.net>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim
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Wes, On 05/03/2020 03:04, Wesley Eddy wrote: > Draft minutes from the interim are available at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-tsvwg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2020-tsvwg-01-202002200900 > > Thx for these. Look like a pretty good summary. For those who might want to find these meeting materials in future without saving this specific URL, interim meetings are linked off the data tracker IETF proceedings page: https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/interim/ > Please send any corrections or improvements. During Jonathan's slides, there was a conversation that seems to be completely missing where Greg asked for SCE scenarios to not just show experiments as selected individual time series that could be "cherry picked", but to usually give results over a range of realistic link rates and RTTs and a range of traffic scenarios. Also there was a request to present summary "figures of merit" e.g. queue delay, utilization, rate ratio, packet drop, ECN marking, normalized flow completion time, etc. Also to show "whiskers", e.g. 99-%ile as well as mean, across a number of experiment runs. (The conversation started by audio, then continued on the chat). Time series are useful to dig into particular anomalous behaviours, but not really suitable for checking the operating range or to compare solutions over a range of scenarios. Higher percentile figures are essential for queue delay to determine how a real-time app would cope. > > We are planning to get the WebEx recording posted to the IETF YouTube > channel shortly, but need to do a little bit more work on that first. Thank you. And the chat log hopefully? Now I've seen some hints at the conversation I couldn't hear during the chairs slides (audio problems), I'll start following-up on the tsvwg list. Cheers Bob > > > > -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoehttp://bobbriscoe.net/
- [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Jonathan Morton
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Pete Heist
- Re: [tsvwg] draft minutes from interim Sebastian Moeller