Re: [tsvwg] A review of draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-12

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Fri, 11 June 2021 16:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] A review of draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-options-12
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Hi, all,

I agree with everyone that FRAG support shouldn’t be open-ended. Maybe we can say MUST implement at least 2-fragment reassembly, SHOULD implement up to 9K (that’s the upper bound on most MTUs that aren’t 64K AFAICT).

I understand it’s the last thing to be implemented because it’s hard, but that alone isn’t a reason to make it optional. Maybe we should just skip RDMA support as unnecessary; RDMA perhaps should tune to MTU rather than rely on long streams of UDP fragments. 

Also, I agree that REQ/RES needs to be explained; the I shared Gorry’s assumption that these two docs would go in together.

Joe