Re: [Txauth] TxAuth Charter (Take 3.5)

Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net> Wed, 29 January 2020 07:04 UTC

Return-Path: <torsten@lodderstedt.net>
X-Original-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: txauth@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52F11201DB for <txauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:24 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.997
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lodderstedt.net
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VhFc1tn_8DnG for <txauth@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:23 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4BBD120142 for <txauth@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:22 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id t2so18856250wrr.1 for <txauth@ietf.org>; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:22 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lodderstedt.net; s=google; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=1SbJmTonTFqR1byt4t4fFwhVNvIp7xKAMIcYUZaFPxU=; b=pV0phzMUyDg+DM4J21JOqtLjw5aLsvVzK9gu5St8px6nY2Hh7goRH4vUiv4T2y6si7 6NXfPh6x4+OzNIOOrepMdf3neAQf9/TgIZgJkjT1ObC/0iMSNGQjslR5le6qJHKWrkyG jE1A2QIKkZG90Q1ALK50Y+YUV+q95JeguQc8dHZMmYZ2/2Oak2bOAQYeGq5a6U9m/ShR xpnUxE8cfY2NjW+zj0M3tIFLiufw9GOZ0y8jA8q8QUkMyUtZkE7sbk70rcSKqk5AxTrX LNqMjc5s3fgh77btuuDsTBzMhtmU4sENG7E28SvWp+20IfuRTyQAzvvgsTOG/rhmtnbB PM/w==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=1SbJmTonTFqR1byt4t4fFwhVNvIp7xKAMIcYUZaFPxU=; b=Gxhwa1uzds6mOjIPoXKGiePk3/I+pB2GCAYJfT7dXTb0Z0vzzjk7ff6a0/r3OxhCRZ 00SoRkIa4ha+jELnHbf9OOp69gGqic5zeEAjOCqfMdaBdXA1rb30d/GnNG2J+HW6S+Ac fKWzluGXagROer/aNgzXUSJdRar2TF7wc0BEZfizGyfN0dM6NgqxGoeSZh5p6LxAjNTX jO7zje+RZWnMQooiRGcayEmZ8817XKYTGJFieZ2TGCR6D8u6eDa/ucfL5kJ3gHCKMYmZ Bxx8ACNKVBbV5daafZz8zKcgjmeWhG/P73Lhju0wub7FXVviSuzcVW8yBRB9n5kljlWx S8IQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVDZMMLbDo0DoFUAIgpJew+YfdARm1d1DigZfZLdQoESlyh8uHq yo2kqeccI4mrPVupWEtFKtOsHw==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8LRpijMYzl0ekGoX2GCIgoI5iy3UVY7jQDtxJrV0QcoCiV/lRdtpyHgr3n/rDdiIpZa2IPQ==
X-Received: by 2002:adf:8041:: with SMTP id 59mr32946570wrk.257.1580281461270; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:21 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.71.107] (p549EEE29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [84.158.238.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 124sm1179206wmc.29.2020.01.28.23.04.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:04:20 -0800 (PST)
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-F1E3D992-0A84-4D3D-8BEC-E1FDE8890F7B"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg="sha-256"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:04:18 +0100
Message-Id: <7ED74044-CA39-437C-8844-1C16DB3B1EC7@lodderstedt.net>
References: <CAD9ie-topDftG2XOMO0ri0iXQiJGrhH-9-nVndPC238e=EOskg@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>, "txauth@ietf.org" <txauth@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAD9ie-topDftG2XOMO0ri0iXQiJGrhH-9-nVndPC238e=EOskg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/txauth/4tAzOT15GT04H1qnB-AVwtqEBvM>
Subject: Re: [Txauth] TxAuth Charter (Take 3.5)
X-BeenThere: txauth@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: <txauth.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/txauth>, <mailto:txauth-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/txauth/>
List-Post: <mailto:txauth@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:txauth-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth>, <mailto:txauth-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 07:04:25 -0000


> Am 29.01.2020 um 07:01 schrieb Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:09 PM Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > Am 29.01.2020 um 02:13 schrieb Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>:
>> > 
>> > All identity claim use cases. A set of these are solved by OpenID Connect, which is an extension to OAuth 2.0. TxAuth would also be a superset of OpenID Connect in addition to OAuth.
>> 
>> Don’t you think this would make TxAuth a bit complicated? What would be the benefit?
> 
> Not any more than today, as many consumer IdPs have both in the same flows, and that is what is in the proposed charter. 
> 
> Having the information all in one document would make it simpler to implement and understand.
> 

I doubt. If i calculate the size of all relevant oauth specs + all relevant openid connect specs (including verified claims), that will most likely be a multi 100 pages spec that few people will fully understand and be able to review/contribute to and fully & correctly implement.

Modularity and extensibility is key to success of this initiative.

> Did you have chance to look at XAuth Torsten?

Not in detail.

> 
> -- 
> Txauth mailing list
> Txauth@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/txauth