Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request
Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com> Tue, 15 December 2020 14:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request
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Hi there Comments embedded Thxs On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Warren Parad <wparad@rhosys.ch> wrote: > Beyond what we're covering here, I see at least one important service that >> would directly benefit from tokens, around introspection/management api >> (e.g. is the token still valid?). Here there's no information lookup about >> a grant, we could just query a bloom filter if we get the authorization to >> do so. I agree it's not yet included but it's perfectly feasible. > > I think we are so focused on the "we can do this and this and thin with > it" that we aren't thinking about why we *need *it. Instead of what can > be done we should be thinking about, "what can't be done without it" or > even perhaps "With it we won't have to..." > [FI] I guess we're all guilty of "why not" now and then. But in this specific case, the need is pretty clear and directly related to the revocation features we've been discussing. > > For instance, it's easy to construct an argument against hypothetical > value it could provide in cases that don't exist yet. Equally vacuous > arguments could be made for coupling to the future apis/services endpoints > when necessary as well as delaying adding the session token to the spec > until after it is necessary. > > Plus the problem is not that you control the AS URI, it's that you have >> only limited trust for what's in front of that. A bound access token >> ensures that your call is anthenticated with the same key as before, while >> the alternative doesn't. > > Could you say more about the potential problem here, I'm not totally > following. > [FI] not a big deal when people use a library, but otherwise end developers may just end up copying the URI directly, not checking the TLD+1. With a basic stateless URL, a simple compare is enough. > > Conceptually, I like the idea to treat the continuation as another kind of >> resource. > > Exactly, and why not. Further just as we can return arbitrary urls in the > body of a request, why not utilize the hardened REST patterns and return > them in for instance a Location header. By encouraging custom responses > having to reassemble future requests we are implicitly saying "We don't > like any of the existing recommended patterns", and while it's totally okay > to digress from them, we should have a really good reason to do so. > [FI] where did you see that we don't follow any of the existing recommended patterns? > > > Warren Parad > > Founder, CTO > Secure your user data and complete your authorization architecture. > Implement Authress <https://bit.ly/37SSO1p>. > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:53 PM Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Ok, could you be more specific as to what you'd expect for the persistent >> identifier ? >> Thanks >> Fabien >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dave Tonge <dave.tonge@moneyhub.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The persistent identifier is not a different issue, the current access >>> token is used to reference an existing grant >>> <https://github.com/ietf-wg-gnap/gnap-core-protocol/blob/main/draft-ietf-gnap-core-protocol.md#referencing-an-existing-grant-request-request-existing> >>> >>> >>> It may not be more difficult for a client to *use* an access token at >>> the AS / RS. But there is definitely an overhead on the client to >>> *manage* this separate access token. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 12:10, Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think we always said the access token was different, and handled as a >>>> bound token. >>>> >>>> But it doesn't mean it's more difficult for the client that already >>>> needs to be able to handle tokens anyway (bearer or not, both cases could >>>> occur). It's mostly consolidating the logic. >>>> >>>> You're anticipating a lot of issues which have no specific reason to >>>> occur, such as "can't be used with the token management APIs?". The >>>> management API is part of the same general flow. >>>> Anticipating issues with rotation is useful, but there are also many >>>> ways it can be hard to manage through a stateful approach too. And >>>> fundamentally, having everything in a common model (both for the internals >>>> of the AS and for the API calls) will help improve by a large margin what >>>> is probably the weakest point in today's infrastructure. But it's early to >>>> be definitive as to the downstream impact either way. >>>> >>>> As for a persistent identifier instead of a continuation API, and >>>> generally the end of your message, it's a totally unrelated issue to this >>>> PR, so I suggest we don't discuss that here, but in a separate issue if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> Fabien >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:08 AM Dave Tonge <dave.tonge@moneyhub.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So we've established that this is a different access token, that >>>>> requires different handling at the client. So keeping it could cause more >>>>> confusion? >>>>> >>>>> As an RC, I will have to store the continue `uri` as although it could >>>>> be static it could also be dynamic. Why do I need to store an access token >>>>> as well. It brings me no benefit as an RC, in fact it brings more >>>>> complexity. As I will now need to manage multiple types of tokens with >>>>> different lifecycles: >>>>> >>>>> *Continuation token* >>>>> - can only be used at the continue endpoint (the name of which is >>>>> confusing as I can use this endpoint to revoke a grant or get metadata on >>>>> the grant). >>>>> - may be rotated each time it is used, or may not be >>>>> - provided in the `continue` section of the response >>>>> - must be sender-constrained >>>>> - can't be used with the token management APIs? >>>>> - can be used to identify the grant when making subsequent grants >>>>> >>>>> *Access token(s) to use at RS* >>>>> - can only be used at the specified RS >>>>> - may be sender constrained >>>>> - when used at the RS, will not result in rotation >>>>> >>>>> From my perspective, most use-cases will require the RC to have a >>>>> persistent identifier for the grant. Why not bring this into the protocol >>>>> and let the AS provide this persistent identifier (through the form of the >>>>> continue uri). Using a rotating access token as a persistent identifier >>>>> doesn't seem like the right choice. >>>>> >>>>> I see no security benefit to having the continuation access token. It >>>>> doesn't matter if the continue uri leaks as it is useless without an >>>>> accompanying signature, i.e. any security benefit of having an access token >>>>> is already provided by having a signature. >>>>> >>>>> The only benefits that I can see are: >>>>> - If the AS wants to be fully stateless, then you can encode more >>>>> data in a token than in a uri >>>>> - If the AS wants to have a static endpoint for CRUD operations on >>>>> the grant >>>>> - To allow the AS to identity a previous grant >>>>> >>>>> If we dropped the access token for the continue endpoint and rather >>>>> mandated a dynamic uri this would make things conceptually easier to >>>>> understand, easier for the RC to implement, easier to debug and less chance >>>>> of errors when rotating tokens (i.e. race conditions could be quite likely >>>>> if the AS always rotates the token) >>>>> >>>>> *One-off grant with no continuation or ongoing management:* >>>>> RC sends signature and metadata, no `continue` response provided, >>>>> therefore no grant management possible >>>>> >>>>> *Grant with ongoing management* >>>>> RC sends signature and metadata, AS responds with a continue uri that >>>>> has these purposes: >>>>> - can be used by the RC to continue/update, read or revoke the grant >>>>> - can be used by the RC when making a new grant to identify the >>>>> previous grant >>>>> >>>>> As an RC the only permanent items I need to store are: >>>>> - the continue uri associated with the grant >>>>> - any access tokens I receive for the grant >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 10:11, Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Torsten, >>>>>> >>>>>> You're right on both accounts. >>>>>> - for the first remark, it fits quite nicely the init request / >>>>>> continuation pattern >>>>>> - for the second remark, it is a sort of handle for the >>>>>> continuation request, which will eventually lead to the issuance or refresh >>>>>> of standard access tokens >>>>>> >>>>>> Having a specific name is a possibility, I actually suggested that >>>>>> too at some point. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fabien >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:50 AM Torsten Lodderstedt < >>>>>> torsten@lodderstedt.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Fabien, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Am 12.12.2020 um 12:06 schrieb Fabien Imbault < >>>>>>> fabien.imbault@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On the contrary your feedback is most welcome. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > It doesn't accept any token, it needs the particular token as >>>>>>> described in 3.1 and which is not a bearer token (that's what the "key" : >>>>>>> true parameter is supposed to convey). >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Let us know if you need more clarifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the clarification. I think only accepting this kind of >>>>>>> token at the continuation is a good idea otherwise the AS would need to be >>>>>>> able to parse and understand all sorts of access tokens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Conceptually, I like the idea to treat the continuation as another >>>>>>> kind of resource. However, here are some observations I want to share with >>>>>>> you: >>>>>>> - This resource is different as it will issue other access tokens >>>>>>> (of this kind) to be used in subsequent continuation requests. This >>>>>>> requires different handing on the client side. >>>>>>> - This access token (if I understand correctly) is (or at least >>>>>>> feels like) a handle for the underlying grant. So it is kind of the super >>>>>>> access token to obtain other access tokens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would consider using a different term to refer to this special >>>>>>> access token, grant token or grant handle for example, in order to prevent >>>>>>> confusion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best regards, >>>>>>> Torsten. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Best >>>>>>> > Fabien >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Le sam. 12 déc. 2020 à 11:33, Torsten Lodderstedt < >>>>>>> torsten@lodderstedt.net> a écrit : >>>>>>> > Hi all, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I didn’t follow GNAP closely so bear with me if me question seems >>>>>>> naive. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > After having skimmed through the current draft and the PR, I‘m not >>>>>>> sure whether the continuation requests accepts any access token issued to >>>>>>> the RC or the particular access token returned in the „continue“ element in >>>>>>> section 3.1.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Can you please shed some light on this? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > kind regards, >>>>>>> > Torsten. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> Am 12.12.2020 um 03:35 schrieb Fabien Imbault < >>>>>>> fabien.imbault@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> You're completely right. Allowing the dev to be lazy is a very >>>>>>> good thing in general, because it's what we know will work :-) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Le sam. 12 déc. 2020 à 03:15, Stephen Moore <srmoore@gmail.com> >>>>>>> a écrit : >>>>>>> >> Hi Fabien, >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> For #3) Even after I typed out the hypothetical attack, that was >>>>>>> sort of in the back of my mind, it isn't a huge risk there. So I actually >>>>>>> agree with Dick there. Something doesn't sit right with me for the unique >>>>>>> URL solution, so I don't like it and came up with a hypothetical that seems >>>>>>> like it could be a down side. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I still think the access token model with the signed request is >>>>>>> the way I'd like to go, because again, it's a mechanism I'd be implementing >>>>>>> anyway to talk to any 'normal' resource. The fact is there is _something_ >>>>>>> representing context that has to pass back and forth here, whether that is >>>>>>> an access token (which I feel like is more flexible for extensions etc), a >>>>>>> unique url, or even a cookie sent in the cookie header. So just to >>>>>>> re-iterate, I'm a +1 on this pull request, speaking as a lazy developer ;) >>>>>>> >> -steve >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:51 PM Fabien Imbault < >>>>>>> fabien.imbault@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >> Again speaking in my own name here. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Dick, we know you'd prefer to have a different design, but this >>>>>>> PR shouldn't be about that. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Back on your 3 items : >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 1) yes we could make pre-register mandatory, but we already >>>>>>> decided that wouldn't be how that would work. We have a client instance >>>>>>> that allows a more generic and flexible pattern (which BTW also allows what >>>>>>> you want) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 2) instead of blame arguments of who's less >>>>>>> restful/HATEOAS/whatever that have the tenancy to flame conversations, I >>>>>>> suggest we speak in less abstract terms and ask ourselves what that means >>>>>>> in practice for devs. Stephen and several others (myself included) have >>>>>>> expressed that it wouldn't be harder to implement, it would even simplify >>>>>>> things quite a lot. If you disagree please send us a code sample to really >>>>>>> show that point by example, because that's really not obvious. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 3) "If someone has the client credentials, they can impersonate >>>>>>> the client, and all bets are off." Are you seriously making this argument? >>>>>>> Because if you have a better proposal than using cryptographic keys, I'm >>>>>>> all hears. You make it look like there's a problem, while in reality we're >>>>>>> only relying on the basic assumption of all modern digital communications. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> And more importantly you never responded to the issues of how to >>>>>>> avoid the security pitfalls of what you proposed. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Fabien >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Le sam. 12 déc. 2020 à 00:35, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> >>>>>>> a écrit : >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:53 PM Stephen Moore <srmoore@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> But from the spec: >>>>>>> >> " >>>>>>> >> When sending a non-continuation request to the AS, the RC MUST >>>>>>> identify itself by including the client field of the request... >>>>>>> >> ... >>>>>>> >> key (object / string) : The public key of the RC to be used in >>>>>>> this request as described in {{request-key}}. This field is REQUIRED. >>>>>>> >> ... >>>>>>> >> " >>>>>>> >> So on the initial request, the key will be there. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> The client field can be an object or a string. If the client is >>>>>>> pre-registered, then a string could be provided instead of an object. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> If you don't have the access token, then how do you differentiate >>>>>>> between two requests from the same web application by two different users? >>>>>>> Is the web application supposed to have different credentials for every >>>>>>> request? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> The AS returns a URI for manipulating the request. I would change >>>>>>> the spec so that each request would have a unique URI. This is the usually >>>>>>> RESTful pattern that the resource (the grant request) has an URI. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> So in this case, the easy way out is to pass the access token to >>>>>>> the client, who then, as i stated before, treats the continue request as a >>>>>>> RS call (albeit a specialized version of the RS where the RS is the AS) OR >>>>>>> to use the unique URL, >>>>>>> >> but that seems open to a brute force attack by a malicious RC. >>>>>>> (What would be the point of that attack, I don't know, I guess if someone >>>>>>> had the client credentials but not any subjects/resources they could try to >>>>>>> intercept the grant via continue... I just don't feel right locking things >>>>>>> down to unique URLs that way.) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> If someone has the client credentials, they can impersonate the >>>>>>> client, and all bets are off. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> LOTS of RS servers return a resource specific URL -- my proposal >>>>>>> is no different. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> -steve >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 5:33 PM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> Hi Stephen >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> The client is signing the first request. The key *might* be in >>>>>>> the body. The client is signing all the subsequent requests as well. The >>>>>>> "access token" is not needed by the client to prove it is authorized as the >>>>>>> client is proving it is the same client again. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> In other words, I don't see the need for an access token, so it >>>>>>> does not need to be put in a URL or an auth header. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> If a developer really, really wants to hand context back to the >>>>>>> client for subsequent calls, they can put it in the URL or some other >>>>>>> method. Putting it in the HTTP Authorization header is confusing because it >>>>>>> is NOT an access token -- it is the context of the request. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> ᐧ >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:01 PM Stephen Moore <srmoore@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> Even though I've only been lightly following things, I feel the >>>>>>> need to voice my preference as a developer since I will probably someday >>>>>>> have to either write a RC or RS... >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> The way I see it is the RC makes the initial request to the AS as >>>>>>> part of this request, it provides it's key in the body... (So no use of the >>>>>>> Authorization header) >>>>>>> >> At this point that request, represented by the continue URL + >>>>>>> "Access Token", from my lazy developer standpoint, is a Resource Endpoint >>>>>>> and Access Token, and the AS is acting as a specialized RS in this case. >>>>>>> >> So my client posts to whatever URL with the 'access token' in the >>>>>>> authorization header, just like acting on any other resource I have a token >>>>>>> for. YES, I get a new token value to use every call, and there is a >>>>>>> decision point of "Do I have another continue, or do I have a real token >>>>>>> for the resource..." But the mechanism is the same to me in the client. >>>>>>> >> Personally I like that, because if I have an access_token, I >>>>>>> already think "Put it in the auth header." >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> So my vote would be +1 for the pull request at this time. >>>>>>> >> -steve >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:04 PM Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> inline ... >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:58 AM Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> Others had already responded to this previous thread, but I >>>>>>> wanted to add a couple points to clarify some things. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> 3) What the client has to do with the "access token" is not the >>>>>>> same as access tokens for an RS. The client gets a new "access token" for >>>>>>> each grant request, and for each API call to the AS, and the client learns >>>>>>> it can not make any more API calls for that specific request when it does >>>>>>> not get an "access token" back. This is a completely different design >>>>>>> pattern than calling an RS API with an access token, and is a new design >>>>>>> pattern for calling APIs. This adds complexity to the client that it would >>>>>>> not normally have, and I don't think GNAP is the right place to start a new >>>>>>> design pattern. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I’m not sure what you mean by these being different — the whole >>>>>>> point of the design is that the client would be doing the same thing with >>>>>>> the access token at the AS that it does with the RS by re-using the access >>>>>>> token structure. Can you please describe what the differences are, apart >>>>>>> from the rotation? Presentation of the token and signing of the message are >>>>>>> identical. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> The client is getting the "access token" from its API. It is not >>>>>>> using an "access_token" in other API calls to the AS. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Rotation of the access token and artifacts for ongoing >>>>>>> continuation responses is a separate issue to be discussed: >>>>>>> https://github.com/ietf-wg-gnap/gnap-core-protocol/issues/87 >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> And for what it’s worth, GNAP is absolutely the right place to >>>>>>> have new designs — not that this is one. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> You are proposing a new way for an API to provide context for >>>>>>> subsequent API calls. Looks out of scope to me. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> 4) Clients that only want claims from the AS and no access >>>>>>> tokens will be required to support an API calling mechanism they would not >>>>>>> have to support otherwise. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Correct, but the delta between the calls a client would make with >>>>>>> and without an access token is vanishingly small. The client has to sign >>>>>>> the initial request in some fashion, and it will sign the continuation >>>>>>> request in the same exact fashion, but now include an access token in that >>>>>>> request. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Per my other point, there is no value to me in my implementations >>>>>>> of passing context back and forth between the client and AS -- so it is >>>>>>> extra work providing no value. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Also, any client authentication mechanism that wants to use the >>>>>>> HTTP Authentication header is precluded from using it. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Clients making a request to an AS and not getting an access token >>>>>>> is a new design pattern. I think it has value and should be included, but >>>>>>> OAuth today shows us the immense value of getting access tokens for calling >>>>>>> APIs, and so we shouldn’t optimize away from that pattern. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> 5) If the AS does not provide an "access token", there is no >>>>>>> mechanism for a client to delete the request, as the client is not allowed >>>>>>> to make a call without an "access token". >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> More properly, if the AS does not provide a “continue” field then >>>>>>> the client can’t delete the request — and yes, that’s intentional. The AS >>>>>>> is telling this client instance that it can’t do anything else with this >>>>>>> ongoing request. If the AS wants to allow the client to manage it, it will >>>>>>> include the mechanisms to do so in the “continue” field. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> There is nuance in that intention. A related concern is that >>>>>>> deleting a request does not seem like it is a "continue" operation. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> 6) There is no standard identifier for the request. Debugging >>>>>>> and auditing are hampered by the client and AS having no standard way to >>>>>>> identifying a request. While one AS may provide a unique URL for each grant >>>>>>> request, another AS may use a persistent "access token" to identify the >>>>>>> grant request, and other ASs may issue a new "access token" on each API >>>>>>> call, providing no persistent identifier for the request. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Debugging and auditing this kind of thing are functions of the >>>>>>> AS. How is interoperability harmed by different ASs having different >>>>>>> methods to identify their internal data elements? The client doesn’t need >>>>>>> any knowledge of the AS’s identifiers, it just needs to know the next steps >>>>>>> for continuing the negotiation. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Debugging between the client and the AS was what I was referring >>>>>>> to. How does a client developer identify the request when communicating to >>>>>>> the AS developer. 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- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Dave Tonge
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- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Dave Tonge
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Dave Tonge
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Dick Hardt
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Justin Richer
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Dave Tonge
- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Warren Parad
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- Re: [GNAP] Consensus Call on Continuation Request Justin Richer
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