Re: [urn] << PLEASE IGNORE THE PREV. MAIL>> Expert review needed

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Thu, 12 April 2018 18:50 UTC

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HI Roozbeh and others,

When deciding what to fix, please remember we are late in the process for non-critical fixes. When in doubt, please lean towards leaving things is”.

Thanks!

Ben.

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:09 PM, R Atarius <r_atarius@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lars
> 
> please see below
> 
> thanks
> Roozbeh
> 
> 
> From: "Svensson, Lars" <L.Svensson@dnb.de>
> To: R Atarius <r_atarius@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "urn@ietf.org" <urn@ietf.org>; "georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.com" <georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.com>; "ben@nostrum.com" <ben@nostrum.com>; "jbakker@blackberry.com" <jbakker@blackberry.com>; "Dale R. Worley (worley@ariadne.com)" <worley@ariadne.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:28 AM
> Subject: RE: << PLEASE IGNORE THE PREV. MAIL>> [urn] Expert review needed
> 
> Hi Rozbeh,
> 
> Just a minor comment from me (but I'll read the complete draft when the new version is published):
> 
> On Friday, April 06, 2018 1:42 AM, R Atarius [mailto:r_atarius@yahoo.com] wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > 4.2.3.  Check Digit
> >
> >   This is a single hexadecimal digit (bits 1-4 of octet 8) and is used
> >   as assurance of integrity in error-prone operations, e.g. when used
> >   with certain types of readers during inventory management operations.
> >   The check digit is not transmitted by the mobile equipment and are
> >   not used in the MEID URN.
> >
> > In section 4.2, for completeness, you give a lot of information that is
> > not strictly required.  However you don't give the really non-trivial
> > bit of information:  the formula for the check digit.  After reading
> > this section, I was left curious what the check digit formula actually
> > is!
> >
> > [Roozbeh]: OK but can I leave it as it is?
> 
> 
> I think that technically you could, but I also agree with Dale that it might be confusing to supply non-required information. Since the check digit is not used in the MEID URN, it might be better to omit this paragraph or to rephrase it as
> 
> "This is a single hexadecimal digit (bits 1-4 of octet 8). The check digit is not transmitted by the mobile equipment and is not used in the MEID URN."
> 
> [Roozbeh] I believe that's how I started but I received comments about its functionality and that's why I added that sentence. I am good either way. If that makes you, Dale and IETF community satisfied then I can remove that sentence. Please let me know.
> 
> **********************************************************************************************************************
> 
> Looking more closely at section 4.2, it feels a bit awkward that you first define the parts of the MEID format and then go on to put them together. You might want to consider rephrasing as follows:
> 
> 4.2 MEID Format
> The MEID format is 15 hexadecimal digits encoded in 8 octets as defined in [S.R0048-A]. The first eight hexadecimal digits constitute the manufacturer code, the next six hexadecimal digits the serial number within the manufacturer code. The last hexadecimal digit is a check digit. For more details on the hexadecimal encoding cf. 4.2.4.
> 
> 4.2.4 Hexadecimal Encoding
> The following figure ... [X.S0008-A].
> 
> [Roozbeh] I think that is what is called a "hanging section", since there should not be any text below 4.2 when there are 4.2.1, 4.2.2, etc. I can create a new subsection as "4.2.1 Overview"  with the text you proposed and shift other subsection with 0.0.1. Will that help?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Lars