Re: [Uta] Certificate pinning?

Tom Ritter <tom@ritter.vg> Fri, 07 March 2014 22:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Uta] Certificate pinning?
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Quite so.  http://tack.io/ is a mechanism for pinning that operates at
the TLS layer, making it usable for a wide variety of protocols,
without needing to redefine it for every application later protocol.

-tom

On 7 March 2014 10:12, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name> wrote:
> Hi,
> Has any thought been given to generalizing the certificate pinning work
> being done by the websec WG
> (<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-11>) to make it
> applicable to other protocols?
>
> And, vice versa, what about taking the concept of security latches from
> draft-newman-email-deep-01 and making those available in HTTP?
>
> I guess this begs the question of what, if any, relationship is there
> between UTA and WebSec WGs?
>
> --
> Cyrus Daboo
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