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Re: [Uta] Revised wording on security consideration re TLS-Required

Jim Fenton <fenton@bluepopcorn.net> Sat, 30 March 2019 21:06 UTC

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:06:19 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Uta] Revised wording on security consideration re TLS-Required
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On 3/30/19 7:44 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>
> This doesn't really say anything about or give guidance to intermediate
> MTAs.  (Do we want to differentiate between initial and intermediate MTAs,
> too?)


Part of the reason for using the term "client MTA" is that it's
inclusive of initial and intermediate MTAs; we don't want to differentiate.

-Jim

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