Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 04 June 2020 08:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning
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Robert,

On 04-Jun-20 19:13, Robert Raszuk wrote:
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>     (Actually, I'd say that I'm curious about the need to have a virtual
>     IETF 108 -- spreading any virtual interim meetings over time and as
>     needed would seem like a much better option to me).
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> 100% !!! 
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> I think this is not just for you ... it works ways better for everyone. 
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> Well except LLC perhaps. 
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> That actually puts back on the table the need for regular IETF venue meetings all together

Please don't overlook the fact that many people are deadline-driven and the 4-monthly I-D cutoff dates are our main deadlines. Taking that away would damage progress. Also, we need a vehicle for BOFs and other mechanisms like HotRFC, and reporting mechanisms to the community. And whether on-line code sprints and hacakathons really work remains to be seen.

I'm not saying these things can't be done on line, but we need to make sure we find out all the unwritten and community-building functions of the meetings and replace them too.

A fine topic for the SHMO WG if created.

   Brian

> and that is why many people are even afraid that periodic interims regardless if online or physical could dismiss the need for global gatherings. 
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> Best,
> R.
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