Re: [v6ops] RFC 7084 on Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Mon, 25 November 2013 14:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] RFC 7084 on Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers
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Carl,

> A typical CPE has 4 eth ports and wifi, all joined together as … the LAN intf, hence 1 interface it is.  You do not hand out different prefixes to wired and wireless.  In fact, you can of course, but this would lead to routed traffic between wired and wireless, which cannot be the target I’d say.
> Potentially, you could have a separate hotspot/public wifi, even more than one potentially,  although for sure not always used, and very often v4-only, hence no real need today for ipv6 prefix today.
> 
> We’re deploying in managed CPE, so the hint will for sure not change anything.  I agree it is also “just” a hint, but the req in the RFC says you SHOULD flag “too small” and it’s exactly that part which is not ok, not the fact that you should sent a hint or anything. 
> 
> Today, our customers hand out anything between 48 and 64, and size NOT depending on “too big or too small”. 
> 
> And I do get a /56 @ home, so works smooth here too, but the choice of /56 is not depending small/big number of physical intfs.

the hint is a MAY. you'd be perfectly fine not including it.
the hint is largely there to give an indication to the server to give the same prefix back as it delegated in a previous session.

cheers,
Ole