Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header chain (draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header-chain)
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 11 June 2013 03:34 UTC
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Cc: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>, 6man@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header chain (draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header-chain)
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On 11/06/2013 15:21, cb.list6 wrote: > On Jun 10, 2013 7:23 PM, "Fernando Gont" <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: >> Folks, >> >> We're currently editing the aforementioned I-D. So far, the I-D just >> required that the entire IPv6 header chain be present in the first > fragment. >> Based on recent/ongoing discussions on the 6man and v6ops lists, there >> seems to be quite a few folks pushing the idea of limiting the size f >> the IPv6 header chain to some value (typically in the order of a few >> hundred bytes). >> >> An earlier version of draft-ietf-6man-oversized-header-chain limited the >> header chain to 1280 bytes, but this requirement was later removed. >> >> However, since then a number of folks have produced real world data >> which indicates that packets "won't make it to the destination node" if >> the header chain is larger than a few hundred bytes, and I believe that, >> overall, our understanding of the problem and situation has increased >> since then. >> >> My question to th wg is: >> >> 1) Do we want to limit the size of the IPv6 header chain? >> >> 2) If so, which limit should we pick? >> > > It's not the size, it is how you use it. > > I would suggest "common types" be permitted (tcp, udp, sctp, icmpv6, frag, > esp, ah) while anything else must be behind an esp. This ensures all > parties agree that further arbitrary headers will only be processed by the > concenting end systems. Truly, you won't get consensus for that; it isn't realistic. I think we're already very near consensus on an unconstrained limit in the 128/256 area. Brian > > CB >> Thanks! >> >> Best regards, >> -- >> Fernando Gont >> SI6 Networks >> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com >> PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Robert Elz
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header chai… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Jared Mauch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Nalini Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Nalini Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Nalini Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ole Troan
- [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was Re: L… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [6MAN] Re: Limiting the size of the I… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was R… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Randy Bush
- Re: [v6ops] [Int-area] Limiting the size of the I… cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was R… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was R… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was R… Joe Touch
- Re: [v6ops] Discussion about header chains (was R… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Tom Taylor
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Tom Taylor
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 header … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 headerc… Tony Hain
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 headerc… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Limiting the size of the IPv6 headerc… Bill Jouris