Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6?
Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au> Mon, 23 March 2015 23:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6?
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I still think 'link-local only' is better, as it is very explicitly saying what the addressing scheme is. There is no and cannot be any ambiguity. I think 'administratively unnumbered' is close to the inverse of that and less descriptive and specific. From: Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvknet.com> To: v6ops@ietf.org Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 23:23 Subject: Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Eric/All, What about the term "administratively unnumbered?" This could be defined as an interface where the network administrator did not specifically number the interface, but does not preclude it from having an address at all (i.e. LL address). regards, Victor K On 2015-03-10 5:15 PM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > Philip > > In the legacy world of IPv4, unnumbered actually means using a global IPv4 > address 'stolen' from another interface. > > In the current world of IPv6, every interface has at least a link-local > address which can be used for IGP and other purposes (see RFC 7404) which > is NOT equivalent (IMHO) to 'unnumbered interface' > > So, I am afraid that you should use another working (albeit cumbersome) > > -éric > > On 10/03/15 15:52, "Philip Matthews" <philip_matthews@magma.ca> wrote: > >> Just want to get some direct feedback from the WG on the use of the terms >> "unnumbered interface" and "unnumbered link" in IPv6. >> >> Mark Smith, in some comments on the Design Choices draft , has said that >> he prefers the terms "interface with only link-local address" or "link >> with only link-local addresses" instead. See the thread with title "I-D >> Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-design-choices-04.txt". >> >> What does the WG think? Should we use the "unnumbered" terms, or should >> we use just the "... with only link-local address" terms? Is it >> acceptable to mix the two sets of terms? >> >> Philip >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> v6ops mailing list >> v6ops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Metzler, Dan J
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Philip Matthews
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Richard Hartmann
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Howard, Lee
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Howard, Lee
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Philip Matthews
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Philip Matthews
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alejandro Acosta
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Metzler, Dan J
- [v6ops] What about the word "local" don't you und… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] What about the word "local" don't you… Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Falcon Darkstar Momot
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Should we use "unnumbered" in IPv6? -… Templin, Fred L