Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability discussion] ]
Philip Homburg <pch-v6ops-3@u-1.phicoh.com> Mon, 16 November 2015 17:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability discussion] ]
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>> 1) How do packets reach the host. Is that documented somewhere? > >RFC3633 is largely silent on this, but when P is delegated to N, it is >implied that the delegating router must somehow inject information >into the routing system that will guide packets with destination >address A to N. I wonder where this should be documented. There seem to be some other interesting interactions: a DHCPv6 server running on a host should not hand out a PD to a host (because it doesn't work), but can hand it out to a router. And can hand it out when there request comes through a relay agent. A relay agent running on a router should install a routing table entry if the PD request comes from a host. There might be more interesting details. >> 2) If a node M on the same ethernet link wants to communicate with addres= >s >> A, it creates a destination cache entry for A picking a default router >> as next hop (because P is not onlink). Later, A can send the reply >> directly to M if M's address is onlink. That is likely to cause a >> neighbor cache entry for A at M, which will not be used because the >> destination cache entry is still in place. > >In this instance, the default router would return a Redirect to M to inform >it that N is a better first hop for reaching address A. The Redirect would >cause M to update its destination cache accordingly. I wondered about redirect just after I hit sent. The neighbor discovery RFC is very explict about the IsRouter flag in the neighbor cache. In this case M has to set the IsRouter flag for A. I wonder if A should then always set the Router flag in neighbor advertisements as well. It looks like it has to, otherwise the neighbor cache will be flushed.
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Philip Homburg
- [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: draft-i… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] PD to hosts [was: DAD again [was: dra… Templin, Fred L