Re: [v6ops] Please review draft-donley-behave-deterministic-cgn

Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> Wed, 11 January 2012 20:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Please review draft-donley-behave-deterministic-cgn
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Chris Grundemann
<C.Grundemann@cablelabs.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 1/5/12 9:33 AM, "Cameron Byrne" <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So, what does that mean for a mobile operator? Not "periodic mobile
>>web access" as you say.  It means there are a lot of long lived and
>>sustained CGN sessions.  Or, an alternative solution, dare i say the
>>forbidden word on an IPv4 life support thread? ... ipv6.
>
> Yes, as mobile Internet usage becomes more and more like fixed Internet
> usage, mobile operators are going to have to look more and more to
> solutions that look more like those of the fixed operators (lower IPv4 CGN
> compression ratios and native IPv6 to name a couple).
>

I don't think suggesting incrementally lower IPv4 efficiency is a
helpful solution to the IPv4 exhaust problem.

>>Let me also clear up something, most of mobile operator traffic is
>>volume is video.
>>
>>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/solutions/collateral/ns341/ns525/ns537/ns705/ns
>>827/white_paper_c11-520862.html
>>
>>"Mobile video traffic will exceed 50 percent for the first time in
>>2011. Mobile video traffic was 49.8 percent of total mobile data
>>traffic at the end of 2010, and will account for 52.8 percent of
>>traffic by the end of 2011."
>>
>>Once again, "not periodic mobile web"
>
> Yes, mobile data usage is growing, but the delta is still massive between
> what people do online at home and on the go. Specific to video, Nielson
> reports that the average user watches 27 minutes a month of video online
> at home and only 7 minutes a month on mobile.
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/08/how-people-watch-tv-online/
>
> So mobile's still about 4x shy (on average) in time and don't forget that
> many apps are "optimized" for mobile viewing, giving the user less ports,
> lower bit-rates, etcŠ
>