Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-baker-v6ops-cpe-autoconfigure-00.txt

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Tue, 20 June 2017 18:25 UTC

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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:25:16 +0200
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-baker-v6ops-cpe-autoconfigure-00.txt
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Hi,

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 02:21:09PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote:
> So I have a question. Do we need to spell this out for CPE vendors? 

Yes.

If it's not mandated by telcos that buy large numbers of CPE (or CERs),
vendors will ship "what they think the market wants", and that currently
seems to be "it will do IPv4 + NAT".

German computer magazine C't tests every new router for "will it work
with IPv6 on a dual-stack connection to Deutsche Telekom" - which is 
one of the dominant players in the market here - and half the devices 
fail.  Today.  Many years after DT started to turn on IPv6 by default
on all new customer DSL lines.

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
-- 
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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