Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-li-v6ops-load-balancing-requirement-00.txt

lizhenqiang@chinamobile.com Wed, 06 July 2011 08:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-li-v6ops-load-balancing-requirement-00.txt
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Hi Randy and all,

Thank you for your question.
I do not think the life in a big city with terrible traffic jam is good, although this is the fact in lots of big cities. Don't you think it is better to distribute the traffic among the available roads to mitigate or avoid the traffic jam if we can?

If you would like to use one huge device to satisfy the requirement of the increasing traffic during the transition phase from IPv4 to IPv6,  you do not need to consider load balance. If you use multiple devices to provide the identical function and to achieve the resiliency, it is better to balance traffic among these devices.

The submitted document mainly focuses on the traffic concentration point introduced by certain transition technologies such as AFTR in DS-Lite. Loadbalancing mechanism should be considered to distribute load among multiple devices reasonablely at certain scenarios. This document lists the key factors that should be considered when designing the load balancing mechanism. Of course, we should learn the loadbalancing mechanism used in and the experience learned from IPv4 network. Specific suggestion is welcome.

Best Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
2011-07-06 

-----Original Message-----

From: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> 
To: Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com> 
Cc: IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops at ietf.org> 
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:32:42 +0900 
In-reply-to: <201107041355.p64Dt0320469 at ftpeng-update.cisco.com> 
References: <201107041355.p64Dt0320469 at ftpeng-update.cisco.com> 

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> A new draft has been posted, at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-v6ops-load-balancing-requirement. Please
> take a look at it and comment.

fred, i am confused.  almost all the technologies [0] mentioned indeed
'force' a path.  and indeed in some cases, these paths could concentrate
packets which might otherwise be more diversely forwarded.  but that's
life in the big city.

so that leaves me only seeing that the document is about when services
have multiple and diverse servers.  so how is this different than ipv4
where, for example, we use load balancers when near servers which need
scale and use anycast when we want diversity and resiliency?

what should i have learned from this document?  clue bat, please.

randy

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[0] - note that most of these are non-transition technologies