Re: [v6ops] writing drafts
Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com> Fri, 05 August 2011 12:33 UTC
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Comments: In-reply-to "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> message dated "Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:41:12 -0400."
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:32:32 -0400
From: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] writing drafts
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> On 8/3/2011 1:43 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, t.petch wrote: > > > >> I think that for most people the expectation is that I-D leads to RFC > >> or else to disappointment. > > > > Yes, I agree too. Producing a properly formatted I-D is something I > > would consider being a considerable effort. Writing on the list is for > > me an equivalent to brainstorm in front of the whiteboard, and THEN when > > something is hammered out a bit and there seems to be some interest and > > traction, THEN I produce a document in expectation that this will end up > > as a final product documenting whatever was discussed. > > > > I never start by producing a document before even discussing with my > > coworkers. I know some do, I don't. Different ways of working. FWIW, I (and I suspect a lot of readers of this list), at best "skim" email threads and hit "D" for large chunks of them. If you want my attention, make it count. If you can't take the time to write something succinct and somewhat self-contained, but instead think it better to contribute to a thread with 200+ messages, do not think for a second that everyone (or even many) are paying more than superficial attention. Case in point, I only read the above because I generally find Joel's postings worth my time to look at. Can't say that for a lot of other postings. Especially from those who post disproportionately and excessively. Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> writes: > agreed. The problem with simply sending an email to open a > discussion thread or posing a "lightning round" kind of talk is > that the basic proposal gets lost in the noise and the thread > invariably migrates. These lists have way too much noise to spend an hour a day of valuable time reading them in the hope there is one tidbit of useful information. Thomas
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- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Keith Moore
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- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements t.petch
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- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements jari.arkko
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Keith Moore
- Re: [v6ops] writing drafts Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] writing drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Ari Keranen
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] writing drafts Thomas Narten
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements Ari Keranen
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