Re: [v6ops] I-D Action:draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-bis-00.txt

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mon, 21 March 2011 15:49 UTC

Return-Path: <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: v6ops@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1463F28C0EA for <v6ops@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eb8k8AYLWueU for <v6ops@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEC428C0E2 for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.ecs.soton.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2LFobvm017201 for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:50:37 GMT
X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk p2LFobvm017201
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=200903; t=1300722637; bh=js/qhZPCJQ086CgXdLdA/vpWBxY=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:References:To; b=ZDLEr/fpIoU3ljdOOfPnNjb0sOILqe2a7S/WyfofCud0xdaSULqDq/L4UFO+OhW2N GktN0Q7HW8D+FsqEd2g/HXbjOagabNK6xTgv3sKYnXXEvtbGB8kj2ssGFVtN/o7832 nr9z9wSdrQ8zp/L95hPTSB6TxmjDf+Yugq1Yxvrw=
Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> with ESMTP id n2KFob0035611172gD ret-id none; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:50:37 +0000
Received: from dhcp-152-78-95-95.ecs.soton.ac.uk (dhcp-152-78-95-95.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.95.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2LFoYeU014591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:50:34 GMT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082)
From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <1B01509B-000B-43A8-A65F-0F772A99B479@free.fr>
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:50:34 +0000
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <EMEW3|f95261189a1a290e7039fd1103f08b28n2KFob03tjc|ecs.soton.ac.uk|256A05E6-E267-4429-8477-EFF2DD5C51CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
References: <20110305184502.18531.25548.idtracker@localhost><5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C3F8B93C@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com><C895B643-E461-4191-BAC3-EF735311F2F0@apple.com><5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C3F8B9B0@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com><E76372ED-41A1-4987-9ECF-888B285DD606@apple.com><4D7E685A.80202@bogus.com><5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C301049872@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com><alpine.DEB.2.00.1103152011560.4842@uplift.swm.pp.se><5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C301049924@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com><4D7FE427.7000201@gmail.com><5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C30104A0ED@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com><4D8260E2.2080600@gmail.com><alpine.DEB.2.00.1103172035400.4842@uplift.swm.pp.se> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1103182204030.4842@uplift.swm.pp.se> <5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C3010D29BC@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1103182233060.4842@uplift.swm.pp.se> <5B6B2B64C9FE2A489045EEEADDAFF2C3010D29CC@XMB-RCD-109.cisco.com> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1103182259460.4842@uplift.swm.pp.se> <4D83E139.5000807@gmail.com> <1B0150! 9B-000B-43A8-A65F-0F772A99B479@free.fr> <256A05E6-E267-4429-8477-EFF2DD5C51CE@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
To: IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082)
X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean
X-smtpf-Report: sid=n2KFob003561117200; tid=n2KFob0035611172gD; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0
X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: p2LFobvm017201
X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action:draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-bis-00.txt
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:49:12 -0000

On 21 Mar 2011, at 13:53, Rémi Després wrote:

> 
> Le 18 mars 2011 à 23:48, Brian E Carpenter a écrit :
> 
>> On 2011-03-19 11:03, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>> ...
>>> When a host with an address from both PREFIX1 and PREFIX2 which resides
>>> on the same LAN, whereto should it send it's outgoing packets? If
>>> packets from PREFIX1 ends up on ISP2 it'll be uRPF filtered, and vice
>>> versa.
>> 
>> Yes, that's the exit selection problem in a nutshell. Since we don't
>> have a standardised solution yet we can't specify it in
>> ipv6-cpe-router-bis. I expect it will have to be left for
>> ipv6-cpe-router-ter.
>> 
>> I think the continuation of the discussion belongs on a thread
>> for draft-v6ops-multihoming-without-nat66.
> 
> +1
> This draft is IMHO a good starting point.
> 
> It deals with hosts that know their global addresses, and know which next hop to use depending on their global source addresses. 
> For ULA networks, a complement is AFAIK needed. 

There's also other relevant material buried in the vaults of multi6 history, e.g. draft-huitema-multi6-hosts-03 and draft-huitema-multi6-ingress-filtering-00.

Tim