Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Wed, 11 September 2013 06:59 UTC
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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, james woodyatt wrote: > Shorter james: it’s time to admit defeat. We blew it— there will never > be direct peer-to-peer telecommunications with IPv6, particularly with > cellular hosts. All that traffic must be directed through relays in the > network where it can be subject to police wiretap and social network > analysis. I don't agree. Looking at the design goals of 5G, the next generation networks will be engineered for massive device scale and very different traffic patterns. The small packets (backscatter or scanning) killing signaling (and battery life) in 3G is done a lot better in LTE, and most likely in 5G it'll be even less impacting. For mobile operators there is a huge incentive to block incoming connections to mobile today (3G) but less so going forward. Handset manufacturers also have a huge role in this in hardering their hosts so that they can actually handle being exposed to the Internet (they already are by large I'd say) and ask the baseband vendors to not implement filtering there (I don't understand why someone would do that, the "computer part" of the device can't be that bad at handling incoming connections, right?). I can understand wanting to save battery for customers by the ISP filtering unsolicited packets in 3G, but not going forward. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-prof… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… cb.list6
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] PCP and I-D.ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-… Reinaldo Penno (repenno)