Re: [v6ops] Which IPv4aaS mechanisms should CE routers implement first?

Alejandro Acosta <alejandroacostaalamo@gmail.com> Sun, 05 December 2021 14:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Which IPv4aaS mechanisms should CE routers implement first?
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Hello,

   Maybe this is not exactly what you are looking for but probably is 
closed enough.

   Summary: in LACNIC for two years in a row we have been working in 
identifying which CPEs are the most common in the part of the world, and 
then looking for which transition mechanisms are supported by them.

   We have published two documents about it. Both can be found in here:

https://www.lacnic.net/5832/1/lacnic/

   The direct link for the latest one is here:

https://www.lacnic.net/innovaportal/file/4297/1/informe-cpes-ipv6-2020-v7.docx.pdf


    I know they are in Spanish :-(  sorry for this.

   Hope this helps to you and probably more people.


Alejandro,



On 23/11/21 10:25 PM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any data on what IPv4aaS transition mechanisms are deployed 
> by ISPs today? I was approached by a router vendor asking me "how they 
> should provide IPv6-only" and I was looking for data on which 
> mechanisms are most common.
>
> Official IETF guidance in RFC 8585 and 8026 is "do all of them and let 
> ISPs decide, have a nice day", but that's not very helpful to a 
> development team with finite engineering resources and low margins. In 
> particular, it's not helpful to vendors of routers that are updatable 
> and that can thus credibly claim that they can deliver other 
> mechanisms via software update. Those vendors could reasonably argue 
> that it's better for everyone if they launch the most common 
> mechanism(s) first, and then deliver the others in software updates.
>
> It seems like reasonable implementation guidance would be to request 
> OPTION_S46_PRIORITY and parse it, but only initially implement one or 
> two of the mechanisms and leave the others for a future release. If a 
> router did this, what mechanisms should it implement first? MAP-E?
>
> Cheers,
> Lorenzo
>
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