Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-update-01
Rob Foehl <rwf@loonybin.net> Sat, 16 December 2023 07:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-update-01
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On Fri, 2023-12-15 at 16:45 -0600, Nick Buraglio wrote: > > Do we really want to more special address space / RFC1918-like space in IPv6? > > If nothing else it has real operational cost. Everyone must update their edge filters. > > > > While I’m skeptical that more documentation space is needed. > > > One critical detail is that we need to ensure whatever it is that we end up with makes it into bogon filters and other BCPs for routing security. > > WGLC ends today, so any further support or non-support should be voiced ASAP. I wasn't going to wade into this, but with the original /20 somehow ballooning into multiple /16s or a /12... As a practical matter: meh. It's a minor nuisance to have to update prefix lists in all of the requisite places. As a matter of principle: completely opposed. While it may be a minor nuisance, the number of changes required globally does add up, and I don't recall seeing any attempts at a cost-benefit justifying that effort. Moreover, the plausible uses seem to fall into a few cases for which practicable solutions exist: - Documentation of a real network: use the real prefix(es). - Documentation for a specialized audience, e.g. RIR justification: any arbitrary placeholder will suffice. They'll be fine. There's even a TBD::/20 right there in the draft... - Documentation for educational purposes: again, any placeholder will suffice, as many as deemed necessary. ispA::/28, ispB::/24, ... The recurring theme being *documentation*, which is of course the sole stated purpose. The space actually being configurable in any capacity or usable for any other purpose is at odds with at least 3849 section 3 and the (somewhat self-contradictory) revised section 3 in the draft. Any such addresses would not, by definition, be documentation; any proposals for same, cf. mentions of lab space, ought to stand on their own merit. More documentation space isn't necessary -- not from GUA space, anyway. -Rob
- [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-update-… Xipengxiao
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Ed Horley
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Neil Hanlon
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… IPv6
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Dale W. Carder
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Tom Coffeen
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Daryll Swer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Daryll Swer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Warren Kumari
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Daryll Swer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… owen@Delong.com
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Ed Horley
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Ed Horley
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Daryll Swer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… owen@Delong.com
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Daryll Swer
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Rob Foehl
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Gábor LENCSE
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… tom petch
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… daveb
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Bob Harold
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Ed Horley
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… tom petch
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3849-upd… Rafael Ganascim