Re: [v6ops] How to divide v6ops

[Fred Baker <[e-mail]>]

On Aug 28, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Hemant Singh (shemant) wrote:

> During the past two years or so I have seen repeated allusions to the fact that v6ops is overloaded but I haven't seen any evidence. 

Actually, we usually have at least one draft in discussion on the mailer. That's how we run WGLCs, and to pick one sequence, we went through ten drafts in two-week discussions in April and May. To give you a measure of what folks currently wish v6ops was discussing (45 drafts, several of which are seriously off-topic and a few are in the IESG or RFC Editor lists), see the list at the end of this note.

45 drafts, or even 20, is a lot of work in a working group. There are currently 2012 posted internet drafts; if they are all in discussion in a working group (which they are not - many are not being discussed, and some are in the IESG or the RFC Editor's lists), that's 16 per working group on average. Think about it.

As to the comment about the chairs not saying "no", the chairs have repeatedly asked for working group input on what it wants to discuss, and generally get negligible comment - 19 out of nearly 300 f2f attendees in IETF-79, 14 of mailing list members in June. For IETF-81, we scheduled 20 of the 42 then-posted drafts for discussion, and added a couple more when we were able to arrange for a third meeting. Setting aside half the drafts constitutes "saying 'no' to some" in my book. For those that have asked for additional editorial control, I think it also implies the application of the charter as editorial control.

If folks want to make helpful comments, they can tell us how best to divide or tighten up the charter so that they get happier with the editorial control. They can also reply to questions sent to the working group by the chairs.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andrews-v6ops-6to4-router-option
  "6to4 DHCP Relay Router Option", Mark Andrews, 10-May-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-asati-v6ops-dad-loopback
  "IPv6 DAD Enhancements for handling Layer1 Loopbacks", Rajiv Asati, Eli
  Dart, 24-Aug-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-v6ops-ipv6-bearer-network-trials
  "IPv6 Practices on China Mobile IP Bearer Network", Gang Chen, Tianle
  Yang, Lianyuan Li, Hui Deng, 4-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-v6ops-nat64-cpe
  "NAT64-CPE Mode Operation for Opening Residential Service", Gang Chen,
  Hui Deng, 10-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chown-v6ops-address-accountability
  "IPv6 Address Accountability Considerations", Tim Chown, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chown-v6ops-call-to-arms
  "World IPv6 Day Call to Arms", Tim Chown, Mat Ford, Stig Venaas,
  7-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dec-stateless-4v6
  "Stateless 4Via6 Address Sharing", Wojciech Dec, Rajiv Asati, Congxiao
  Bao, Hui Deng, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deng-v6ops-aplusp-experiment-results
  "Implementing AplusP in the provider's IPv6-only network", Xiaohong
  Deng, Tao Zheng, Mohammed Boucadair, France Telecom, Xiaohong Huang, Qin
  Zhao, Yan Ma, 8-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-denog-v6ops-addresspartnaming
  "Naming IPv6 address parts", Lutz Donnerhacke, Richard Hartmann, Kay
  Rechthien, Leon Weber, Ronny Boesger, Thorsten Dahm, Joerg Dorchain,
  Sascha Lenz, Michael Horn, Jan Walzer, Sebastian Wiesinger, 7-Apr-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-elkins-6man-ipv6-diagnostic-header
  "IPv6 Diagnostic Header", Nalini Elkins, Lawrence Kratzke, Michael
  Ackermann, 4-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fling-v6ops-hybrid-bridged-routed
  "A Hybrid IPv6 Service model of Bridged and Routed Mode", Chih-Cheng
  Tsao, Fang-Yu Ling, 8-Apr-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gashinsky-v6nd-enhance
  "Operational Neighbor Discovery Problems and Enhancements.", Warren
  Kumari, 29-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gont-v6ops-ra-guard-evasion
  "IPv6 Router Advertisement Guard (RA-Guard) Evasion", Fernando Gont, UK
  CPNI, 7-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gundavelli-v6ops-pmipv6-address-reservations
  "Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifier for Proxy Mobile IPv6", Sri
  Gundavelli, 8-Aug-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hilliard-v6ops-ipv6-discard-prefix
  "A Discard Prefix for IPv6", Nick Hilliard, 4-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hu-v6ops-radius-issues-ipv6
  "RADIUS issues in IPv6 deployments", Jie Hu, Yulong Ouyang, Qian Wang,
  14-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-3gpp-eps
  "IPv6 in 3GPP Evolved Packet System", Jouni Korhonen, Jonne Soininen,
  Basavaraj Patil, Teemu Savolainen, Gabor Bajko, Kaisu Iisakkila,
  20-Aug-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic
  "Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) to
  Historic status", Ole Troan, 24-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-happy-eyeballs
  "Happy Eyeballs: Success with Dual-Stack Hosts", Dan Wing, Andrew
  Yourtchenko, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-bis
  "Advanced Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers", Hemant Singh,
  Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, Barbara Stark, Ole Troan, 10-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-multihoming-without-ipv6nat
  "IPv6 Multihoming without Network Address Translation", Ole Troan, David
  Miles, Satoru Matsushima, Tadahisa Okimoto, Dan Wing, 29-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-v4v6tran-framework
  "Framework for IP Version Transition Scenarios", Brian Carpenter, Sheng
  Jiang, Victor Kuarsingh, 26-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-aaaa-whitelisting-implications
  "IPv6 AAAA DNS Whitelisting Implications", Jason Livingood, 8-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jjmb-v6ops-comcast-ipv6-experiences
  "Comcast IPv6 Trial/Deployment Experiences", John Jason Brzozowski,
  Chris Griffiths, 8-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kanizsai-v6ops-anycast-data-aggregation
  "IPv6 anycast based feedback data aggregation", Zoltan Kanizsai, Laszlo
  Bokor, Gabor Jeney, Gianmarco Panza, 7-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-keranen-ipv6day-measurements
  "Some Measurements on World IPv6 Day from End-User Perspective", Ari
  Keranen, Jari Arkko, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuarsingh-v6ops-6to4-provider-managed-tunnel
  "6to4 Provider Managed Tunnels", Victor Kuarsingh, Yiu Lee, Olivier
  Vautrin, 13-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuarsingh-wireline-incremental-ipv6
  "Wireline Incremental IPv6", Victor Kuarsingh, 4-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-v6ops-load-balancing-requirement
  "Analysis on Load Balancing Requirement in IPv4/IPv6 Transition",
  Zhenqiang Li, Qin Zhao, Xiaohong Huang, Yan Ma, KuiKe Building

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-matsushima-v6ops-transition-experience
  "Use case and consideration experiences of IPv4 to IPv6 transition",
  Satoru Matsushima, Yuji Yamazaki, Chunfa Sun, Masato Yamanishi, Jie
  Jiao, 29-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation
  "DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation as IPv6 Migration Tool in Mobile Networks",
  Behcet Sarikaya, Frank Xia, Ted Lemon, 16-Jun-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sun-v6ops-laft6
  "LAFT6: Lightweight address family transition for IPv6", Qiong Sun,
  Chongfeng Xie, 14-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sunq-v6ops-contents-transition
  "Rapid Transition of IPv4 contents to be IPv6-accessible", Qiong Sun,
  Chongfeng Xie, Qian Liu, Xing Li, Jacni Qin, Dong Liu, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sunq-v6ops-ivi-sp
  "Considerations for Stateless Translation (IVI/dIVI) in Large SP
  Network", Qiong Sun, Chongfeng Xie, Xing Li, Congxiao Bao, Ming Feng,
  6-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tan-v6ops-fast6-aaa
  "AAA for broadband access in IPv6 transition", Jinghua Tan, GuoLiang
  Yang, Cathy Zhou, 6-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tan-v6ops-nat64-experiences
  "Experience from NAT64 applications", Jinghua Tan, JinYan Lin, Weibo Li,
  7-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-v6ops-isops
  "Operational Guidance for IPv6 Deployment in IPv4 Sites using ISATAP",
  Fred Templin, 27-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-troan-v6ops-6to4-update
  "Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds (6to4) as Last Resort", Ole
  Troan, Keith Moore, James Woodyatt, 10-Aug-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tsou-v6ops-multicast-transition-v6only
  "Multicast Transition to IPv6 Only in Broadband Deployments", Tina Tsou
  (Ting ZOU), Tom Taylor, 14-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-v6ops-multihoming-without-ipv6nat
  "IPv6 Multihoming without Network Address Translation", Ole Troan, David
  Miles, Satoru Matsushima, Tadahisa Okimoto, Dan Wing, 29-Mar-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4
  "IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-v6ops-ivi-icmp-address
  "Stateless Source Address Mapping for ICMPv6 Packets", Xing Li, Congxiao
  Bao, Dan Wing, Ramji Vaithianathan, Geoff Huston, 25-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-v6ops-fast6-pppoe
  "Fundamental Architecture of Services Provider's network Transitioning
  to IPv6 (FAST6) -- PPPoE Broadband Access", GuoLiang Yang, JinYan Lin,
  Jinghua Tan, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-v6ops-fast6-tools-selection
  "The analysis of tools selection for broadband ISPs", GuoLiang Yang,
  Cancan Huang, Youming Wu, 11-Jul-11

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-v6ops-space6-icp
  "Service-Provider Application Cloud-based Engine for IPv6", GuoLiang
  Yang, ZhiLan Huang, Weibo Li, 9-Jun-11